Ok, you've got me on the wording. He wasn't in jail because he paid for hits, but my point being no matter your thoughts on drug policy, Ross should be in prison

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong: IIRC the feds sent back mock pictures to 'confirm' the victims were killed, so I don't know if anyone was assassinated in reality but, as you said, Ulbricht payed to have them murdered.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You're correct. They were all scams, including one by the US government

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That doesn't mean they're scams. Ross really did earnestly pay to get people killed, he just got caught in a honey trap trying to do so and that's a good thing

[–] SpicyAnt@mander.xyz 1 points 5 minutes ago

I have seen this repeated multiple times on Lemmy. When I look this up, I find:

Dismissal with prejudice: https://freeross.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Doc_14_Dismissal_Indictment_7-26-2018.pdf
The DEA agent responsible for this entrapment sentenced to prison for corruption: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-dea-agent-sentenced-extortion-money-laundering-and-obstruction-related-silk-road
The target of the alleged crime (Curtis Green) advocating for Ross and claiming that his own messages were altered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0w8aOK1NRE
The fact that the payments to the hitmen were made via bank wire transfer: https://imgur.com/why-would-dpr-send-easily-tracked-80k-wire-transfer-hit-when-he-did-all-other-business-bitcoin-PEozMNM

So, the charges are dismissed with prejudice, the DEA agent imprisoned for corruption, the alleged victim testifies in his favor. What makes the other narrative compelling? I see people citing the court document in which the claims were made..... But what is the value of that document if the result was a dismissal with prejudice? Shouldn't that support the innocence narrative?

I am genuinely curious. I'm not necessarily advocating his innocence, I want to understand what other people know that makes them so convinced that he is guilty of this.

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Did you just restate exactly what the person above you already said?

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 hours ago

I was clarifying and adding more details, and also restating to make it clear I wasn't disagreeing at all or trivializing it.

[–] azl@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Was it? It wasn't mentioned in the article and I don't think I've ever heard that before.

"Ulbricht was found guilty of charges including conspiracy to commit drug trafficking, money laundering and computer hacking."

[–] errer@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

Here you go: https://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-boss-ordering-5-assassinations/

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I've never heard about this.

Can you provide a source?

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/silk-road-drug-vendor-who-claimed-commit-murders-hire-silk-road-founder-ross-ulbricht

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Google dude. It was all over the news back when it was new news.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Google didn't turn up anything conclusive.

Are you sure you're not misremembering this or making it up? It should be pretty easy for you to provide a source if it's true.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/10/feds-take-down-online-fraud-bazaar-silk-road-arrest-alleged-mastermind/