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Year of the ~~Linux Desktop~~ Fediverse!

Side note, DAE find calling them "normies" kinda icky? It's like straight outta 4chan

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 62 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

Personally, I think there's room in the Fediverse for an app with a "strong algorithm" provided it's completely open ofc.

My biggest issue with algorithms isn't the fact they exist, but that they're proprietary black boxes so no one truly knows how it's being manipulated

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 10 minutes ago)

Remember when Musk took over Twitter and "open sourced" the algorithm, although it was impossible to reconstruct anything from what was given, and contained clear signs of being edited and incriminating details suggesting content categorization and prioritization?

What I really want to see is Facebook's algorithm, because it seems to just produce a neverending stream of alt-right bullshit.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Fwiw Tiktok apparently just open sourced their algorithm a week or so ago.

I wonder if loops will provide it as an option

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 40 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

We should be able to select different fully open source algorithms from a drop down menu, and load custom ones from fediversealgorithmmenuwithdescriptions dot org, including "no algorithm".

I assume that's like a billion hours of work, but, goals.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago

When you sort your feed by hot vs top vs new, that's already what you're doing kinda.

But the platform has to have the data to support the algorithm, so you can't just "load in" whatever algorithm you want. Besides, that sounds like a security nightmare for the platform lol

[–] grue@lemmy.world 32 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

"No algorithm" would load nothing at all. Everything is an "algorithm," including listing all posts in chronological order.

Wanting "no algorithm" is like wanting food with "no chemicals" in it and not realizing that carbs, fats, proteins, etc. are "chemicals."

[–] criitz@reddthat.com 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

But when someone says they want no chemicals in their food, you know exactly what they mean. This is just being a bit pedantic, I think.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Exactly. Every time I see someone post that "akshully, chronological order is also an algorithm" (which I see a lot), it makes me think of the old "what you are calling Linux is akshully GNU/Linux" thing. Please people, let that go.

Because you know perfectly well that when we talk about "algorithms" we're specifically referring to corporate social media manipulative algorithms designed to increase engagement, NOT a simple sort of posts by date or number of upvotes. mkay?

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

Did someone call for me???

[–] django@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Noble gases are chemicals too, damn it!

The only thing that isn't "chemicals" is literally just vacuum.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 points 6 hours ago

Even a vacuum has random particles coming in and out of existence, it's not even empty space

[–] huginn@feddit.it 2 points 6 hours ago

Algorithm control is what AT Proto offers that fediverse doesn't

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

It’s gonna happen in the AT protocol I’m sure.