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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, but it's a new fear or a new spin on some old one every other week. Conservative media tries out a new panic pretty regularly to see what gets bites. The democrats have basically been on "Trump is our Hitler" for more or less eight years. At least, that's what they say with their mouths, though not with their actions. It might have had a little more sticking power of they'd showed that they took at serious as they want us to, but as it stands, that car is pretty much out of gas.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

So the problem is that Democrats have had a consistent message? Right...

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

What do you want from me, exactly? You just can't keep people afraid of the same thing forever. People stopped paying attention to the terror threat level just three years after 9/11, which the entire country agreed was bad. That's why their secret sauce is to keep rotating in new panics.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I would like it if you acknowledged that Republicans are the root of the problem and not Democrats. Sure, the Dems have a lot of room to improve, but there is no comparison! Republicans are fucking insane!

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The root of what problem, exactly? Yes, republicans are insane, I hate everything about their entire platform and I hate that they're in power. I want a real left party that will kick these stupid Nazis' asses, which is why I'm not afraid of being critical of the democrats. Now's the time. We've just been punched in the head and it's time to decide how to proceed. Do we get our shit together and start swinging for the fences, or do we pout and blame the voters because we really deserved this win and they just didn't understand that?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, we agree that Republicans are insane Nazis. Good.

What could the Democrats have done that is so bad that insane Nazis sound like the better option? What makes that a rational choice?

I don't think there is one. I don't think anything the Democrats did mattered because voters weren't voting based on reality.

There is no democracy without an educated populace. We have something worse than that: a miseducated populace. The apathy towards voting and the hatred of the current administration are intentionally engineered by bad actors.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I think that it's pretty simple. Tl;Dr, Trump campaigns 1, 2, and 3 were each the democrats' race to lose, and they rose to the occasion. The data shows that most Trump voters don't sincerely believe his most insane promises, and they're desperate for big changes (thus, the Obama-Bernie-Trump voter). Where the democrats are falling on their face is thinking that just showing up and putting a body in a seat is good enough to beat Trump. It's obvious to them (and us) that he's bad, and they're betting that a policy plank of "not Trump" and a bunch of pretty meh proposals otherwise will be enough to get voters to turn out. Twice, they've been wrong. A lot of people feel like they/we never really emerged from the great recession, and the order of the day is big dramatic changes. Trump promises that, regardless of whether he can deliver or whether it will actually help. In this last election, I distinctly remember that the Democratic messaging was that everything is fine, actually, and the economy has really never been better. If you're drowning, you'll take what you can get, and someone patting you on the head and telling you everything is fine, actually, doesn't help.

If the democrats want to start winning, and I hope they do, they need to realize that just existing as not Trump isn't enough. They need to come out fighting like they came here to do universal healthcare and cocaine, and they're all out of cocaine.