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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is great, should be implemented in all cities. Most people who can use public transport should.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not all cities are equal. Many have large areas with no public transportation available.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

That's also very easily fixable

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get suggested to drive for 11 minutes and ALSO take a lyft if I wanted to use public transportation to get to work.

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you always go to work in the middle of the night on a Sunday?

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's just when I browse Lemmy 🥲

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, what you posted is not really meaningful and representative of your daily commute, right?

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm so confused about what's wrong, the bus stop doesn't suddenly get closer if I leave at 9am monday...?

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't seem to apply to your specific case but usually there's a big difference between middle of the night vs. during the day. Even though I live in a city with a good public transit infrastructure, if I try to get to my workplace at three in the Morning on a Sunday I will still have a bad time:

vs.

That's why your first screenshot didn't really prove much.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Ah, that understandable. My main point is that where your screenshot has you walking 6-15 minutes in between transport, the only "options" given to me were to drive 12 minutes to the bus stop and then drive 7 minutes to my actual workplace. I wasn't so much focusing on the time, just that my large city doesn't have comprehensive public transportation.

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 1 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, it really seems to be completely unusable for you, damn

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

In SF they allocated some extra carpool lanes (taken from the total number of highway lanes) and started calling them "express lanes" instead of carpool lanes. Everybody cheered-- because transit hipstering is a great thing for the people who it actually works well for in our mediocre system. I guess everytone else is SOL. In SF it started out that you could still use them for free if you had 2 people in the car. Now its 3 people minimum to ride free, and the prices crept higher. Now you'll very often see all non-express lanes stopped with traffic but the price for express lanes high and the express lanes clear of traffic-- that road throughput capacity underused. Its become a rich persons lane, at the cost of reducing capacity of the total system. When it got put in they said the max would be $8.00, shortly after they doubled that, with no max per day. Fees rack up since they charge over short distances. Now I've started seeing express lanes on main thoroughfares that arent highways.

Theres a patchwork of diconnected and not well thought out transit systems, with little hope of retrenching them to have usable coverage like NYC has. You'll end up using an uber or taxi to get to your final destination most of the time, and parking at transit stations is difficult, time consuming, and expensive.

This is not the solution you think it is. It just makes things better for the rich, and does nothing for the poor and middle class. This is like the "clear" lane at the airport security. Once its in, its not going away. Pricing is not in the control of people who have your best interests at heart. If you're poor, your time is not worth as much as a rich persons. They are commoditizing the hours of your life and many of you cheer for it. Without progressive pricing for this you're just getting fleeced.

The funds created arent going toward new projects . They are used for road maintenance, enforcement, and debt repayment in the county where the road is This simply frees up general funds that had been used for that before these went in, so no direct benefit in terms of transit projects is mandated.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As I understand it, poor and middle class people are already taking public transit. It's the rich people who are driving in New York. This is making it easier for deliveries, taxis, buses, and emergency vehicles to get through by getting all of the entitled rich people off the road.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You think charging them 20 a day will get the rich off the road?

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Looks like it is! (See above)

[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As someone who takes public transit into SF every work day. It exists. It works. It's faster than driving

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It works.

It works for you in your current situation. But this policy affects people who are not in your exact situation as well, and it DOESNT work for them. I know you want to do something, anything, but we need it to be more than this.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

we need it to be more than this

That goes without saying?

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also, those lanes were open to everyone for 2 months before they had everything online. There was absolutely no traffic those months. Once they turned on the scam lanes, traffic was back with a vengeance... Unless you paid.

[–] ChapulinColorado@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That is expected. When a lane is added it fixes traffic for some time then it goes back to the same due to induced demand. Look at Texas and their 26 lane highway, it has not fixed their traffic problems and never will. It is always hard to move towards less car dependence, but it will never happen if we keep adding lanes.