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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You skipped a couple of steps between "US easily can give each individual a million dollar." and "So we can be certain that the locals will say yes if there is a vote." Like Trump planning to do that and it being implemented.

Also, a million dollars, let alone "far less" than a million dollars, would not be enough for me to be willing to give up socialized medicine for the rest of my life and the life of my kids, grandkids, etc. Not everyone is as motivated by money as you seem to think.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think a lot of Europeans are concerned that Trump will take a page out of Putin's book and use coercive tactics to annex Greenland.

The narrative they're making now is that Greenlanders want to be part of the US and that Denmark is lying about greenland's wishes. Money for votes is one tactic, and other options are possible too, like influencing the upcoming election, manipulating the news cycles, border skirmishes with DK/EU/NATO, and little green men. All tactics that Putin knows well, and are likely spreading to the US as its domestic oligarchy and ties to Russia grows.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I still think all you would have to do is tell Greenlanders to say goodbye to their healthcare and enough would change their minds.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think it's as simple as the sentiment of the general population.

Most Donbass residents didn't want to be part of Russia, and now those who resisted are lying in mass graves.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well sure, if the U.S. decides to invade, it's another matter. But we've been talking about peaceful means so far.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Russia kept Ukraine out of the EU without any soldiers, and civilians were being murdered in the Donbass in 2014 without any formal invasion.

The history of Russia's attempts to influence and annex Ukraine started decades before the current invasion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exJ024Zdzdk

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Again, if this becomes a military operation, that's different. Russia's attempts at doing it non-violently failed, which is why they turned to military force. They wouldn't have done it if their attempts hadn't failed.

[–] sith@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let's hope you're right. My point was basically that the US has many tools at their disposal. Especially when rules of yesterday don't apply.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Oh I don't disagree that Trump and Republicans couldn't give less of a shit about the law. I'm just saying we shouldn't assume this is going to go their way this early in the game because they also fuck up constantly.