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10 arrested for writing gay erotica in China as part of nationwide crackdown
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How so? I don't think having a culturally appropriate and historical understanding is hand waving. Do you?
To my knowledge I am the only person making note of Inconsistent enforcement. Rather than criticizing it to "hand wave" I introduced the topic.
National laws are often fleshed out and enforced at more local levels, leading to inconsistency. Your logic does not make sense, as a local failure in applying national law occurs regularly and tends to be the impetus for more consistent national enforcement and is related to the anti-corruption campaigns of the last decade and more. I have added this context because Western chauvinists broad brush their designated enemies from smaller or isolated incidents that are blown up into xenophobic and often racist talking points.
Can you describe, for me, how you believe national, regional, municipal, and local governance generally operates in China?
Please show me these comments.
Is that so? Can you show me your methodology and source materials for how you have discovered these root causes?
Oh? Most often? So then you have done a fair comparison across different political tendencies, cultures, histories, and governments and can show me some statistics?
You rely heavily on that ambiguous and selectively applied term. Why not be more direct and descriptive?
Does this mean you are uninterested in good faith dialogue?
That is a lot to unpack. The concept of human nature is itself poisoned by reactionary ideas, it is used to actually reinforc a desired status quo by claiming it to be an immutable ot otherwise "natural" way of things rather than something that is mutable and socially constructex. For example, European Christian concepts of original sin have been used to rationalize a misanthropic view of people as inherently bad and in need of subservience to the ruling powers of different eras.
I have yet to see appeals to human nature used in a way that was not reactionary, but maybe you are thinking of something that is not. Can you state this more concretely?
Re: government morals, all state policies and enforcement is political and social, and has some kind of a moral component. So this would not distinguish this from any other state policy. Are all state policies authoritarian? If so, do you describe all of them as such, consistently? Or do you think you may be inclined to use the term for certain countries more than others, as is more common?
I did not present it as a sufficient justification for any particular thing. I added it as context for understanding a culture and history that most people here will be unfamiliar with and onto which they are eager to project their biases. You are assigning conclusions and motivations that aren't there and are being uncharitable.
Yes everyone knows this and nothing I've said contradicts it.
You think that the historical and cultural origins of the law are irrelevant to its existence and application? What?
It feels like you are just cobbling together negative sentiments to throw at the wall, facts be damned.
Is it reactionary, a holdover from a progressive law that doesn't always map neatly onto modern times (this law is actually about distribution, not "writing in their own homes"), a regional variation? Is it a composition of the three in different ways? Is there more to it? How do you distinguish the law from enforcement? How much do you know about these specific cases?
I still cannot tell you what I think you mean by the term "authoritarian". In my experience it is a term used selectively, like calling designated enemy states "regimes" and designated good or neutral states "governments", and it means little aside from trying to communicate a negative connotation despite presenting itself as political theory. Its modern usage can be traced back to imperialist cold war PR campaigns to try and flatten the difference between Nazis and the communists that defeated them.
It is important to be humble and self-critical about one's own unexamined biases.
I didn't do that. Please do your best to not invent things about me to get mad about.
I haven't seen the latter once. And I cannot address the first without knowing more about the situation.
Arresting whoever offends would be a consistent application of the law. And again I cannot imagine what you mean by "telltale sign of authoritarianism". What are your examples? Have you done a fair comparison? What do non-authoritarian law enforcements look like?
This does not make sense. Regional variation is not the same as selective application at the point of declaring warrants, which is the kind of inconsistency you are describing as bad.
Also, manufacturing consent is a term about how capitalist media creates its narratives through the amplification of thise biased towards ruling class interests, even if they themselves do not think of themselves as corrupt or as political operatives.
I don't do that. You are, again, making things up about me. Please do your best to talk to me, the human on another screen, and not the person in your head that you are angry at.
The people I am replying to in this thread are often guilty of sweeping generalizations and sinophobic remarks.
Okay, so what about the rest of my comment that you didn't reply to?
You can Gish Gallop over this comment section all you want, but you're not worth my time. I'll put it simply for you here since you're so obtuse; outlawing how a person expresses their sexuality, when it isnt at the cost of another persons consent, is shitty and authoritarian.
Have fun defending reactionary and authoritarian actions. Whatever it takes to defend your side, right?
I am not Gish Galloping. I am engaging in good faith and am responding directly to what you're saying with explanations and context. Do you think that's a bad thing?
In many of these attempts to criticize you are really just telling on yourself. You're actually getting combative and complaining that I am taking the time to help you challenge unexamined biases (that you bring up via accusations) and provide additional relevant context. Given how many objective errors you have made in trying to justify your attacks, don't you think a bit of humility is in order? Why launch into everything with speculative attacks?
I'm not being obtuse.
I don't think we've had a conversation about whether that is shitty. This conversation has mostly been me replying to your false and bad faith accusations using more restraint and patience than you will likely receive any other time.
Again, this means nothing and you should be more skeptical towards your internalized biases.
I don't believe I've defended anything other than myself. You should get over this habit of lying about others in support of beinh dismissive.
I'm not the one engaging in bad faith behavior here and you are the only one thinking in terms of sides. Again, telling on yourself.
Please do your best to improve how you disagree with people. If you behaved like this in any decent irl left organization you would get kicked out for aggressive toxicity and dishonesty.
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