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[–] Relo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes renewables need to come with storage.

[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Storage technology isn't there yet. Nuclear is. The only viable approach is "all of the above." Anything less is foolishness and oil industry propaganda.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The same people who run the oil companies also run nuclear plants, billionaires love a monopoly but what they hate is local communities being able to own and run solar farms and wind turbines, they hate the idea of someone that isn't them being able to spend a million making a profitable offshore wind farm or a raised water energy storage facility -- more than anything they hate the thought of houses and businesses having PV on the roof and being able to detach evenb just in part from the mechanisms owned by them.

[–] Relo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

50 yeas ago people couldn't think of a future without fossile fuel. 100 years ago people thought ships would run on coal for eternity and 200 years ago or in fact up until WW2 horses did most of the work when it came to transportation.

Things change fast. Stagnation of technology is not the norm.

[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are urgent needs we can't wait 50 years for.

[–] Relo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

France started to build their new power plant in 2007 and hope to connect it to the grid next year.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And where do you think all the materials for that come from? Eind turbines, solar panels and batteries require huge amounts of (rare) earth materials that need to be dug up in very -let's say ugly- mines.. lithium for example, is now the core component for most of our batteries and lithium mines are polluting as hell. If we want to have all the lithium we need for all of our storage capacity, well need to destroy beautiful places like the Atacama desert because if we don't we won't have enough lithium.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The rare in 'rare earth' is not related to scarcity, many of the most common elements in the crust are 'rare earth materials' lithium is a great example because it's hugely abundant especially in salt water where it can be extracted at the same time as desalination - which is especially good paired with wind and solar because it can rapidly switch power usage so excess energy at peek times can be used which helps stabilise the grid, then when generation is low it can pause to conserve power. Also ideal for placement directly tied to solar where sun and saltwater are plentiful, such as the equator.

The other good thing is that lithium is infinitely recyclable and battery tech keeps evolving to require less of it in its chemistry. Theres endless other battery technologies and energy storage methods available too, lithium is great for cars and phones because of the energy density but for grid tied storage that's not really an issue.