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The I in PEGI stands for Information, for many they inform the game includes warning that the game has gambling. If the EU doesn’t have adequate laws prohibiting or limiting underage gambling PEGI doesn’t have the authority to overrule.
There's no money involved though, it's a closed single-player game without a betting mechanic that happens to use playing cards and poker hands for scoring. Meanwhile others have mentioned FIFA and stuff with loot boxes/packs, which are borderline slot machine mechanics that eat money.
the game has no gambling whatsoever. it only has poker aesthetic. it uses the term "ante" to mean "level", it uses traditional poker hands, and it uses chips to define points. otherwise it's just a non gambling card game. it would be like putting this rating on go-fish, or solitaire because they use the same cards that poker does. this game could not teach you how to play poker.
the association with gambling is entirely superficial. what has everyone up in arms is that there are many games with micro transactions that are essentially a roll at the slot machine, and intentionally designed using gambling psychology, that people lose thousands of dollars at every day. those games don't have their gambling mechanics considered at all by ratings boards. it shows that pegi doesn't put much work into their ratings. one game that looks like gambling but isn't gets and 18+. the many games that have real predatory gambling tactics but hide them are free to do so with impunity.
hell, do you remember when half of twitch was people "rolling" for cs:go skins and trading them for real money. that was just straight up regular gambling that streamers were faking numbers for to show them making a profit. they used dishonest third party sites to trade the items and broadcast themselves getting unrealistic results. the only reason it stopped was because of the dishonesty of the third party sites coming out. not because of the underage gambling for a promise of actual financial returns. that still happens in many games. most of which have a lower pegi rating than cs:go or balatro.
PEGI is a joke, but it's a consistent joke. Any gameplay that looks like playing a casino game is consistently "simulated gambling" and an instant 18+. PEGI is why the Pokémon series stopped putting Game Corners in after gen 4, even though Pokémon's "slot machines" were timing-based skill challenges.
I can't believe we would've missed the luigi casino on Mario 64 DS...
I don't think that explains the dichotomy in ratings between, say, Balatro and FIFA, one of which let's you gamble with real currency and the other is a pixelated deck builder.
But still: it does not matter. PEGI can not enforce its ratings on anyone. It's an "information" to parents and nothing more than that.
I've played RPGs, aimed at kids and young adults, with full-on casinos in them that didn't get this rating. Belatro has no microtransactions, there's no real money involved after purchasing the game itself. I would say it's less harmful than learning actual poker or blackjack in a kid's JRPG, since Belatro is not a real game that a person could ever play in real life.
There's no gambling in the game. Not with real money, nor with fake money. They labeled it 18+ for "looking like" gambling.
Using the same logic, solitaire should be 18+.
I actually asked someone if by this same logic playing cards should be considered "gambling materials" and they said yes. So even though it's absurd I think there are a good amount of brainwashed or stupid people who believe it.