There are 3 manifestos circulating. One is definitely fake as it was written by someone with an average intellect at best. It goes on to reference the Ridley Scott film “Gladiator” and is rife with spelling and grammatical errors. The second one that police released to the media with instructions not to publish it starts off boot licking cops saying “(to the feds) I appreciate what you do for our country” and the one i believe to be the legitimate Manifesto is on his personal website which shares his twitter handle. People have attempted to discredit this one by saying the metadata says it was created December ninth, however this does not add up. Firstly when you type the URL into the website age checker it says it was created sometime in july 2023. Secondly if you search the link in google you will see it is timestamped December 3rd. The day before the shooting. It is hosted in Rekyjavik Iceland on an encrypted .WHOIS server. However this is not all that leads me to believe it is legitimate.
Next if you examine the main page of the website you will see there are 2 posts as well as links to Mangione’s twitter, Github, LinkedIn and email address. Also the 2 links are tech projects he worked on. One is an AI project and the other is a robotics engineering project where he created a robot that mimics his own movements. This post has 3 pictures/.gifs of him controlling the device through his movements. These images are not located anywhere else online.
Next i analyzed the manifesto on this site and there are zero grammatical or spelling errors. I then had chat gpt do some analysis of the document. Firstly I asked if it appeared to be written by a person or an AI and it unequivocally answered that it is human generated. Next i had it assess the level of intellect and schooling as well as the age of the writer. It said the writer appears to be between the age of 30-50 but a high level of prestigious schooling could mean that the writer is indeed younger.
Now I remembered seeing someone post a twitter link to a paper mangione wrote about Christianity and the roman empire. So i pulled this up entered it into chat gpt and had it run an analysis on both. I then asked what the likelihood that both of these documents were written by the dame author and chat gpt said it was very likely especially if the manifesto was written years after the first allowing the writers skill level to increase. I have the chat gpt conversation screen shots if people would like me to post them or have any other ideas as to how this manifesto could be further analyzed.
But the manifesto that I believe to be the real deal is located at www dot pepmangione dot com backslash manifesto. I would link it but it seems the entire internet is on damage control for billionaires to scrub as much pro mangione content as they possibly can. Ive had YouTube comments shadow hidden and removed for just spelling out this link as I’ve done above
I used to be on reddit but luckily for me i didnt have to deal with tje insane censorship resulting from this phenomenon. However i had to deal with it 6-7 months ago when i was perma-IP banned for pointing out that international law states indigenous populations have a right ro defend themselves by any means necessary including the big V word. Now ive seen more than half a dozen Luigi Mangione Reddit subs wiped from existence in the last 10 days. Ive seen posts on photoshop battles nuked. Ive seen a sub with users who are flared as uhc corporate affiliated spreading ridiculous propaganda that was then parroted bu CNN 2 days later (brian Thompson is the new george floyd and other ridiculous shit) this sub is r/fuckluigimangione it reads like satire but their automod is ready to state otherwise anytime anyone asks if it is satirical.
We are living in a blatantly fascist plutocratic oligarchy.
Post the info on the original timestamp being DEC 3. The DEC9 posting was the most convincing i agree but the dates were enough to cast doubt. Very likely they are calling his arrest statement a manifesto to muddy the waters, but I havent much confidence in that breloom signed substack due to the modified date.
Im not a computer savvy hacking wiz. All i have is a screenshot someone else took and a screenshot i took from my mobile device both timestamped December 3rd and a screenshot of the websiteage.org inquiry that says estimated date of creation is july 2023.
I think its best to remember the media narrative isnt the only thing people with more money than the GDP of many nations have the capacity to manipulate. I can (attempt) to post the screenshots and chat gpt screenshots if thats helpful? I say attempt because i just started using lemmy through the voyager app and its been a challenge yo figure it out lol.
Screenshots can be doctored, still interested in em tho. To my knowledge this is the one posted on DEC9. It was taken down as substack called it impersonation. I have not seen any evidence that verifies it. There is also no real metadata we can pull from it outside of what was archived on the page to my knowledge.
https://archive.is/7jUsF
Obviously but do as i did and type pepmangione and manifesto into google search and the link should pop up with the december 3rd timestamp as it did for me.
(Edit) i just tried again and the timestamp is now not showing which is sketchy
Ohh https://www.whois.com/whois/pepmangione.com
Honestly my opinion both cant be verified. Both were created the night of the arrest. Both are pretty sketchy but at times convincing because they touch on very real issues with our system. Pepmangione domain was even registered that night. ID be more apt to believe it if it wasnt.
In the case that december 9 is the correct date of creation which i am not sold on, it is still possible that he used his programing skills to create a deadman switch as to release this document if he didnt check into an account within a certain time frame? There are other possibilities here.
This just feels like the writing is more indicative of someone with his level of education. Also if you read the paper he wrote when he was 15 on rome and Christianity its not difficult to see similarities in the writing style.
The domain was literally created on December 9.
Is it your expert opinion without a doubt that date of December 9th could not have been altered after the fact? Is there no chance things may not be as they seem?
Are there forensic web data analysis tools that the general public generally does not have access to that could be implemented to further investigate this domain?
The whois data is the forensic data. You can provide fake contact info but you can't fake the creation date.
But that data can be accessed and altered although very difficult it is possible. And thats pretty surface level forensic data. This needs to be thoroughly analyzed.