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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 week ago (7 children)

'I would throw a pipe under the trolley,' says yet another person who does not understand metaphor. It's not a roleplaying game. It's an illustration. Changing the map won't change the territory.

There is no third option on any given November. One of two candidates is going to take office. You are effectively offered a binary choice between them. Wishing real hard and playing what-if does not change the 0.0% chances that several million people will suddenly agree with you, out of the clear blue sky.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Do you conceive of your entire political reality as waiting anxiously who to vote for in November? Do you not see any political action you can take outside of elections that are ultimately owned by the capitalist class?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Do you think that's what's implied, whenever someone tells you to stop letting outright fascists take power? 'Pancakes are good.' 'Why do you hate waffles?' Wrong.

If you have a plans for better elections - great! But when the election happens, and your plan didn't work, you have to work with what's real.

If you have plans totally unrelated to elections - great! They won't conflict with voting for less evil, no matter how evil you think "less evil" is. More evil is worse, actually.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

whenever someone tells you to stop letting outright fascists take power

Read Fascism and Social Revolution by R. Palme Dutt

Read Economy and Class Structure of German Fascism by A Sohn-Rethel

Then tell me that it is possible to keep fascism out of power through voting.

So what are you doing right now to fight fascism? If the answer doesn't include being active in a socialist organization, the only people that historically have been effective at opposing fascism, then the answer is effectively "diddly-squat", and you should get your ass in gear.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

That's not as easy as lecturing those who do the work for not doing what they wish they'd do instead

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