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[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Haha what if we apply more US bad to world events

No, seriously, that article is manipulative AF.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh it’s this article that is manipulative AF, and not the propaganda that we’ve been fed day in & day out our entire lives[1].

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Both can be true

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the US media empire is manipulative AF all around the world, so it can continue their blood campaign unbothered. i don't see libs batting an eye though.

matter of fact thats what they consider unbiased news for some reason.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The US abolished the claim of nonpartisan, unbiased media at least half a century ago.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

is this generally understood by the general population? especially in the 3rd world countries they manipulate where the connections between local news and pupeteer empire don't look as close and/or are deliberately obscured...

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, of course not. Never was, nowhere is.

The wish for "unbiased news" grew from the aftermath of WWI, but didn't stick with the duopoly in the US.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

that influence extends way past the us political system.

in a way that makes it look like the center unbiased position, when its in fact very manipulative.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that's why we even care that the US has a duopoly.


This particular thread is largely about "that's what they consider unbiased news for some reason"

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

and i was talking about why it is.

and maybe why explicitly anti-imperialist and anti-us media might sound manipulative to people used to imperialism being the center and not the right. we do need the proper us bad that has been lacking.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Not even the claim was on the books

Just one more coup bro I promise just one more coup and it'll fix everything bro please bro just one more coup this is the one that will work out well bro please

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why do you believe the US Empire does what it does?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Because they are the good guys! The government and president and CIA and military and media and corpos said that! So what else can do a person from nominally anarchist community than just believe them and stand at the same side as, check notes... Al Qaeda, Netanyahu and Erdogan, true beacons of freedom.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

It must be very easy to avoid grappling with real problems you benefit from if they paint Leftist thinking as "US bad."

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 month ago

There are no beacons of freedom in Syria.


Amalgamating Al-Qaeda, IDF, TSK into a coherent side is wild. HTS and SNA may have occupied populated Syria, but given the IDF's air strikes and the continued pressure of TSK directly and through SNA indirectly against SDF, this war seems far from over.

The fall of Assad does not endorse HTS. It simply is.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Opportunity.


My point is, Syria is not played by various US actors alone, there are at least five countries involved with very different goals and ways of doing things.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure, and US interests won out. Hooray for the US Empire continuing to get exactly what it wants.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

Well, people like Assad are not exactly a good rallying cry for an opposition.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

So facilitating a genocide on top of all the wars, coups and meddling is the US being good?

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Haha what if we apply more US bad to world events

Then you would have a more correct understanding of geopolitics.

No, seriously, that article is manipulative AF.

I have no idea what that means

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

taboo to call

We’re all meant to pretend

People get mad if you say this, but it’s true.

If my saying this makes you feel uncomfortable, that discomfort is called cognitive dissonance. It’s what being wrong feels like.

But real life doesn’t move in accordance with your preferences.

[communicative action] is the worst sin a person can possibly commit.

Information density and transmission is polluted by the fears of not being convincing enough and not sounding radical enough.

(IMO this can result from cynicism and sociopolitical isolation.)

[..] major world events do not occur independently of the actions of the major world powers who have a vested interest in their outcomes.

Sure, but this does not explain why Assad, North Korea or Putin are good enough for an opposition or even the seed of that.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Information density and transmission is polluted by the fears of not being convincing enough and not sounding radical enough.

It is just rhetoric on Johnstone's website. It is a position piece. In what way are you being manipulated? This is actually more honest and direct than the faux-objectivity of typical articles.

[..] major world events do not occur independently of the actions of the major world powers who have a vested interest in their outcomes.

Sure, but this does not explain why Assad, North Korea or Putin are good enough for an opposition or even the seed of that.

It is unclear to me why you are quoting and arguing with that. Do you think I am Johnstone?