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I refuse to celebrate the man's death. That just doesn't sit right with me.
However, I'll climb on my soap box long enough to point out that first, an insurance business model is fundamentally incompatible with healthcare. It does not work on basically any level and the need for profit will always be in conflict with the need to provide high quality healthcare.
Second, this conflict between the need for profitability and providing healthcare means that most of the health insurance industry is built on a foundation of ethical compromises. For profit health insurance companies like UnitedHealth are just straight up immoral. Any business that has to give loyalty to shareholders at the expense of anyone's life and health is immoral. Not to mention the incredible amount of work health insurance companies have done to effectively rig much of the American medical system for their own benefit.There are lots of corporations that do lots of bad things but I would classify for profit health insurance as a special kind of evil.
As much as they like to pretend they're the good guys, the good guy doesn't make it their sole mission to extract as much money as possible from their customers before they die while doing the bare minimum to keep them from dying.
Long way of saying, my condolences to the guys family. Having your husband/father/etc. assassinated in the street has to be awful. At the same time, screw UnitedHealth. They're a bunch of worthless blood sucking vampires.
My feelings are exactly what they would be if the head of a vicious mafia was just assassinated. Probably because the head of a vicious mafia was just assassinated.
I'll celebrate for the both of us.
How evil does a person have to be before it is acceptable to celebrate his death? This man devoted his life to profiting from human suffering. The fact that the law was on his side does not excuse his actions; it simply means that he worked within an evil system.
Hitler level is sure cause for celebration.
How about all the wealthy people who invested in his regime. Can we hate them too?
I think the ideal outcome is the person changes and stops hurting people. Though in america its pretty unlikely to happen due to greed and ego.
And if that outcome isnt guaranteed, or even likely, is violence that may save many justified?
It's a real-life trolley problem...
Feels a lot easier to me since in my mind the analogy becomes "do you kill the dude that's pulling the lever to a track with many thousands on it instead of the track with some money on it so you can see if the next person will change the lever back"
Those are different questions. Ideal outcome vs what's most likely to happen. Honestly I have no idea, he literally could have been trying to change the system the whole time he worked there and I would have no idea.
What is good is all the amplified discussion about insurance companies and how they kill people. That wouldnt have happened without a catalyst.
Feelings on the topic should allow for nuance and shades of grey, not everything is black and white. Im in OPs camp... Dont celebrate the death of any human, and the amount of damage to peoples lives the company this guy helmed does is unfathomable. You are allowed to hold both opinions.
If the death of a human saves the lives of a bunch of humans, isn't it then a celebration of life?
No, and this saves no lives, utilitarianism is bad philosophy, grow up.
I don't celebrate that this needs to be done, but I do celebrate it being done. When they destroy any sense that the justice system will see justice done to them, it requires people to seek justice in to her means. It's their fault. They can choose to repair the system and remove their advantages whenever they want. Until them, I welcome justice.
My condolences to the victims of the victim. Sorry but I couldn't disagree with you more. The rich represent despotism with no recourse for all the injustices they inflict upon the rest of us, and it shows why the cycles of Anacyclosis are real and persistent throughout human history. Business leaders have no virtues, only greed and profit motive. Given the context of history and what happens to despots as they get worse, they'll be lucky if there aren't mobs beheading them and leaving their heads on spikes adorning the walls of Wall St for all to see.
That's where this goes next if the greed and suffering continues.