Please click through and read for additional context. Families are helping. Parents age and are not a long-term plan except for the most unusually wealthy.

Please remember: China is nominally communist. Functionally, they are capitalists with an usual side of excess infrastructure spending. A strong central government doesn't make a country communist.

Their land use rules... that makes them communist-ish. But that's a small part of a far larger picture.

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[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Excess infrastructure spending" I've spotted the republican.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds strange, but it is something that the Chinese national government has made policy to rein in. This includes a national ban on new skyscrapers and subway lines. If the national government has to ban different types of infrastructure to be built, it can be a sign of excessive spending.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As far as I know, the ban on skyscrapers is due to safety concerns and a sense of identity which make sense, vertical urban planning is good but the best middle point is buildings that are neither too small (because you are not taking advantage of the vertical space) nor too tall. This is not much different from US zoning laws, which work to appease to the car industry lobbyists.

Regarding subway lines, I can't find any information about that, just that they banned drinking in such places.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago

Here is an article in 2018 about China making it harder to build new mass transit:

https://www.caixinglobal.com/2018-07-14/china-makes-it-harder-to-get-ok-to-build-subways-light-rail-101302749.html

Here is an article in 2021 about China effectively no longer building subway lines in cities without an existing system, mainly due to trying to corral the real estate bubble:

https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1008813

The Chinese national and regional governments don't operate on the same economics or politics of Western governments, so the actions of one may not fully map to the actions of another.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ad hoc and poison the well while being very wide of the mark, too.

Nicely done.

My politics align more with Sanders than anyone well known politician. Surplus is surplus and the left needs to retain the right to call a spade a spade.

Not all infrastructure spend is good. I'm both envious of what they have and stymied by articles documenting unused cities.

For ease of research, I recommend "China ghost cities." Maybe those cities will make sense and not every idea has to work, but that is surplus, ergo excess.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most of the things that you mention as "ghost cities" and so on are simply they building in the long term, for the people, so that they can be in a later time be populated. Here's a good example of a YouTube channel who made a video about "ghost" metro station a few years ago, recently they did an update, and it is no longer a place without a purpose but actively being inhabited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR4EYQ6JFUI

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[–] APassenger@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get that they're attempting to master plan and be ahead of things. I also know infrastructure is an investment - and sometimes it's partially a jobs program.

Not every investment works out.

I'm not down on them.

I'm down on low-effort, glib and smug responses and I'm hitting more of it on Lemmy than I hit elsewhere. I'm not sure if this is the result of reddit leading to a population swing or if lemmy already had a lot of "smart" people who could be better than they are.

If I plan to smear someone. I click their post history. I've stopped myself from many errors and found a way to build a common ground. I've also found fools and decided they weren't worth it.

But if I plan to be dismissive, I do the research.

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

If you’re getting consistently rolled in the place with all the smart people, have you considered the possibility that you say dumb stuff?