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It has nothing to do with your right to work (sh.itjust.works)

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[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't know much about RTW

From my understanding, not all unions benefit their members. Some just charge money and do nothing.

Why would someone want to be forced to join one?

Doesn't it make more sense to have the freedom to choose if you want to be a part of one or not?

Like make a law that corporations have to have joinable unions available that are funded by the corporation.

The idea that someone pays dues in hopes of getting benefits is wild to me. They shouldn't have to pay dues to make sure the business treats them fairly.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

There certainly are 3 kinds of unions.

The unions like in the past that were strong and fought tooth and nail for their workers, getting them what they need to live a good and happy life. There are a few of these left but not many.
The unions that let their older greedy members sell out their younger members with two tiers, one for the older members that has good wages and benefits while the lower tier has lower wages and shit benefits. There are many of these unions around now.
CLAC type unions that you pay dues but they always side with the company and fuck their members over because they just use their veneer of Christianity to not get questioned.

The biggest determinant of how a union is going to be is based on the membership and how many of the old guard at the top care about the younger members. I have been part of a union with many new guys that voted out the old guys because they were trying to protect themselves at our expense but we got concessions that helped everyone instead of tiered membership.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I'm from a union family and was in one myself for many years before I changed to a career path where it's proven difficult to organize. You're starting in a good place, but few points.

The members are the ones who typically determine union leadership. If the union isn't doing anything, it's probably... at least partially the members fault. However, just like in the real world, the wants and needs of older members tend to dominate (as turnout of older members is generally higher) and that can leave newer members left out.
You might not get everything, but you typically will benefit from most of the things the union fights for whether you're in it or not, so for voluntary dues you end up in a situation where the smartest short term play is to not be in the union so that you can reap the rewards without having to contribute. However, this leads to the union not having the funds needed to fight for more things (because not enough are contributing).
Having unions funded by the corporations directly is slippery... It's like going to court and your lawyers are on the payroll for the other side. It creates an incentive to side with the people who are funding them.

You have to remember that... a business treating you fairly would ideally be the default, but there's no reason they have to. Your union should be watching out for that for you so that you can focus on showing up and doing your job. The dues aren't for "getting benefits", you already deserve those and those already should be owed to you, the dues are for having someone to fight for you and advocate on the behalf of you and your colleagues.