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[–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 18 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Other than this meme ridiculously implying that if only the pro-Palestine vote would have gone to Harris instead of Trump, then Harris would have won (two ridiculous claims not backed by the reality of the data): Can we please stop with that notion, that the Democrats are trying to stop what's going on in Palestine and finally see it as the US foreign policy that it is? Who has the power in that relationship? Without the US, Israel has a fraction of its weapons, billions of dollars less for their own civil programs and no shielding from international law. Don't act like the Biden administration has been genuinely trying to stop a genocide, when they:

  • are supplying weapons (Biden even circumventing congress in at least one case)
  • continuing payments
  • are spreading debunked Israeli propaganda even after they're debunked while ignoring or actively delegitimizing information to the contrary
  • actively bomb the Huthi's who attack ships headed for Israel (also with weapons)
  • vetoing or threatening to veto anything that furthers international law on that matter in the Security Council
  • diplomatically and threatingly shielding Israeli threats to the ICC and ICJ
  • actively delegitimize the ICJ and their decisions openly
  • are threatening countries with sanctions if they don't adopt outrageous laws and standards redefining anti-semitism and cracking down
  • are pressuring countries to tow the line with zionist support
  • ... (list is not extensive)

This behavior isn't new. International law didn't matter, when the US offensively brought death and destruction to Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result again in Iraq and Syria. Or when they did the same with the EU in Lybia,. Or when they supplied Saudi Arabia with weapons and support for their genocide in Yemen, and are supplying Egypt with weapons and support for their water war in Sudan, which has seen atrocity after atrocity in its wake. This isn't even an extensive list of just this century.

They aren't trying to stop it. All the public lip-service is but theater as are the negotiations. Which should become clear at the latest, when Israel assassinates their negotiating partners and then the US claims, that there is no one from the other side joining the table...

[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (4 children)

She would have won MI easily. Possibly PA. Then WI would only have been necessary.

The far left vote would have handed her the Presidency. And you guys will eat a big plate of shit served by Trump himself for making that mistake.

[–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 0 points 3 days ago

Two take-aways from your post:

  1. I read a lot of "would" and "possibly" there. And in the end the implication is that she still wouldn't have won.
  2. Calling out a government for its role in the crime of crimes is now considered far left. Gotcha.

Until now I haven't seen a single thorough analysis, with absolute numbers especially compared to 2020. You know, so we can base our assumptions and opinions a bit more on reality. Most I'm seeing are opinions (including my own) and if I'm lucky, then an article highlighting a single isolated aspect, that might or might not be a relevant factor.

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