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[–] tee9000@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I just want to say your effort is appreciated and fair points regarding what i dont know about marxism.

  1. I think my conjecture that the power structures wont be destroyed is justification enough to not seek to destroy them. My "seems like" is alternative to working with the power structure, but i understand i dont have data to substaniate my belief that individuals wont overcome centralized supercomputer data analytics commanding autonomous enforcement.

  2. I didnt say capitalism would be preserved, but that the current power structures would. I dont think there will be a compelling motivation for an impervious power structure to maintain the illusion of freedom. Profit falling off doesnt dissolve societal hierarchy if the power structure still enforces it by identity rather than wealth.

  3. Our discomfort doesnt have much time to motivate us before we willingly accept the power structure (due to no alternative).

That said, im not convinced an omnipresent evil is guaranteed to arise from capitalism, just a self-interested entity.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think you need to do more research and come up with logical arguments for these beliefs that aren't just vibes, but empirical data and observations.

[–] tee9000@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Im not a historian, nor revolutionist, and i have the benefit of just shitting on your assertions. But i am your target audience. And i still dont know how you are going to convince me to read a stack of history books or pick up an AK.

My self interest will probably just make me want to fight for the system as long as i can instead of enduring hardship. Anyways nice talking to you.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And this takes me back to what I said previously, if Marxism is indeed correct, then as material conditions deteriorate due to sharpening of contradictions in Capitalism, then there will likely be a point in the future that you become more willing to read theory, and I'll be right here.

You aren't actually my target audience. My target audience is made up of people already radicalized by this deterioration of Capitalism, but this doesn't affect everyone equally. If you are not radicalized, then it is likely that you're not radicalized yet, at which point you will enter my target audience.

[–] tee9000@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If it is indeed correct, indeed. Hopefully we all get equality in paradise in the end.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

We will likely not see Communism, but we will be a part of the numerous water droplets that cumulatively bore through stone.