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What will it take for staunch Democrats to vote third party? (x.com)

submitted 1 week ago by CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work to c/usnews@beehaw.org

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/151111

With the dust is settling from their defeat on Tuesday, it's becoming clearer that there was some incredible malpractice going on in the Democratic party. As shown in the tweet I linked, Biden delayed dropping out even though his team knew it was going to be a complete blowout for Trump. Then, we have Harris's campaign spending over a billion dollars and still losing all of the swing states she needed to win.

For all the Democrats who would never vote Republican and would have never voted third party, are you now considering voting third party in future elections? If not, what would it take?

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[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I will never vote for a party that doesn't stand an actual chance of winning seats. So until there is proportional representation or ranked choice, i will not be voting 3rd parties.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So you will always vote a straight Democratic ticket as long as there are Senate and House candidates with a good chance of winning? What if they have no chance of winning the White House? I think that that would be apparent if the people who ran Hillary, Biden, and Harris's campaigns are still involved and the strategy is still to court Republicans. Can the Democrats perform poorly enough that you would decide that you might as well vote third party (or abstain)?

[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 2 points 5 days ago

No i wouldn't abstain from voting for sure. The only way I'd vote 3rd party under the current system is if they were polling above 40%. Which is absolutely absurd in this system. That would mean either the dems or gop were decimated, but at that point the 3rd party would be the new major party.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What 3rd party exists that is left leaning and is running for non president positions? Green Party doesn’t count, they’re compromised

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Not sure what you mean. There were about four or so third parties on my ballot. There are also of course options to write-in a candidate or abstain.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And I think they were all just for the president. A write in candidate without a concerted effort is useless

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes those were for president, but there were at least half a dozen across other races. I asked you "Can the Democrats perform poorly enough that you would decide that you might as well vote third party (or abstain)?" If you're trying to imply an answer, I'm not following.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They would have to start doing worse than they are now, we could have taken this election, but people didn’t show up. I think Kamala would have done fine, and certainly continued our democracies recovery. She wasn’t my first choice. I wish people would have at least voted against trump if not for Kamala. He is absolutely vile. He is one of the few people whose death I will toast. He has done so much harm to this country and its institutions, he has harmed its people, through his policy, his frauds, and his rapes. He is the most undeserving of all of us

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 1 points 6 days ago

we could have taken this election, but people didn’t show up.

Why do you blame millions of regular Americans instead of the extremely well funded campaign and the party behind it that failed to motivate these people to vote? How is it not the campaign that raised a billion dollars that's responsible for this tremendous loss?