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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22332949

JD Vance said that ‘American power comes with certain strings attached’

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

So, NATO had a problematic operation, trying to establish (and coordinate the establishment of) guerilla stay-behind troops to use in the event of Soviet takeover - and the operation went especially problematic in Italy during the Years of Lead, where some of those guys associated with right-wing terrorists. The year was 1969 or so.

Basing on this, how do I conclude anything about the NATO of today?

Disclaimer: I was asked to hold an anti NATO speech during a protest event during a NATO summit. Being a moderately honest anarchist, I held a speech denouncing the practises seen in Afghanistan (the year was 2012), but emphasized that collective self defense is a valuable thing to have (a common attitude here in Eastern Europe), and added that if the alliance would bother doing what it says on the sticker, I would support it.

NATO is an alliance of various countries. Some of them aren't nice or democratic (classic example: Turkey). Mixed bag, and constantly changing. Membership in NATO is not a letter of indulgence for a member state to do anything - allies are obliged to help only if someone attacks a member state. If a NATO member attacks someone else, allies can ignore the affair or even oppose the member (example: Turkey recently bombed Kurdish troops in Syria so sloppily that threatened US troops shot down a Turkish drone).

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 week ago (14 children)

"According to several Western European researchers, the operation involved the use of assassination, psychological warfare, and false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in Western European countries, and even went so far as to support anti-communist militias and right-wing terrorism as they tortured communists and assassinated them, such as Eduardo Mondlane in 1969"

Based on this conclude what you want about the NATO of today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steadfast_Defender_2024

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

Based on this, I conclude: the NATO of today is a mostly defensive alliance with some taints in its history.

It is currently very busy doing a real job - opposing a conquering dictator named Vladimir Putin.

I wish it luck, as long as it sticks to its declared purpose. If it oversteps, I will revise my opinion.

[–] andxz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Your opinions are certainly grounded in reality at least. It's refreshing to read something sensible for a change.

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