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[โ€“] protist@mander.xyz 145 points 1 week ago (11 children)

โ€œIโ€™m not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives,โ€ Vance added. โ€œBut European countries should theoretically share American values, especially about some very basic things like free speech.โ€

The US ranked 26th in the world when it comes to free speech, with several members of the European Union higher up the list, according to the 2024 Global Expression Report.

๐Ÿ˜‘ I'm going to have to disconnect from the news more often moving forward

[โ€“] lime@feddit.nu 63 points 1 week ago (10 children)

most of europe explicitly does not have free speech, because it's commonly understood that harmful speech exists. i don't know what he's trying to convey with that idea but he comes across as misinformed, and not a little bit controlling ("should")

[โ€“] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The important thing is, that in Europe free speech is normally defined as the freedom to say everything as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. This is also with a lot of different forms of freedom. Your freedom ends where the freedom of others begin.

[โ€“] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That also exists in the US under libel. You can't say anything you want if it harms someone, unless I'm mistaken.

But that takes a lawsuit, which takes money. As such, it's really only a law to prevent the poors from speaking ill of the powerful.

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