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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 127 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Cool story, however, the Smurfs actually reproduce asexually and Smurfette was made by Gargamel to destabilize their society by encouraging sexual competition.

Yes, there's a lot to unpack there, however, my general interpretation is that it's because Gargamel is a weird loner who thinks things like that.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If Gargamel created Smurfette, it’s also possible he created the other Smurfs; including Papa Smurf. Maybe he created them, and they rebelled against his evil ways, or he had a master plan of some kind that they ruined and he holds a grudge for it.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's weird that people keep acting like there wasn't actually source material for this stuff and that we know this didn't happen.

I mean, at least according to Peyo. It's all fiction and people can make up whatever shit they want of course.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have zero knowledge of ... Smurf lore...

But could it just be the case that 'female' smurfs are sort of like self inseminating plants?

The last 'matriarch' passed away, or fled, and Smurfette is the only one capable of birthing another generation, but the 'male' smurfs could all just be ken dolls, sexually inert but societally useful as workers.

Then Papa Smurf is just the eldest remaining 'male' smurf.

The socio gender dynamics just happen to roughly emulate human society, but the underlying sexual structure of the species is dramatically different.

The males would then be interested in Smurfette mostly for the status of being beloved by basically the one they must all protect to continue their species, they would be as capable of sex as a Ken doll.

It would explain why they collectively really really want her to stay ... which is still manipulative and controlling, but at least does not necessiate literal sex slavery. Just... non coital brood mare slavery.

Thats ... at least a theory that afaik may not contradict with any lore (which i admittedly know nothing of) that allows for a sustainable smurf population that does not involve sexual abuse?

[–] EffortlessEffluvium@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or maybe Gargamel is God and the Smurfs are “fallen angels”. Papa Smurf is the Devil! Gargamel is trying to round up demons

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Oh I like it. I kinda believe that to be the way of Judaism: “God” is not the good guy, and the “Devil” is actually the good guy trying to free us from servitude.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's an anti-jewish allegory with Christian purity morals.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

When you smurf long into an abyss, the abyss smurfs back into you.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can hate Jews and stereotype them without being an authoritarian Nazi.

This guy

https://images.app.goo.gl/4DYotpZX8N6JVWBs9

Is so similar to this sort of imagery, which everyone knew at the time,

https://images.app.goo.gl/U4tscVecV5XShHNc8

That it's really ridiculous to try and excuse it. And being a greedy capitalist out to stop socialism also tracks.

The rest of it, about purity culture and Aryan perfect women I could be convinced are wrong, because I'm out of effort to look it up. But super coincidence then, amirite?

But claiming he's not Jewish is exactly like the excuses from Rowling about her money loving, hooked nose, big eared, greedy, bank running, goblins.

The anti-semitism caricature is fair enough, whether deliberate or not, but I don't believe it really goes any further beyond that on politics. Community values are only a dogwhistle for socialism to extremely selfish nutbags completely brain rotted by Ayn Rand, and those people love shitposting about communist conspiracies in children's media. By all accounts the creator was uninterested in politics beyond whatever internalized bigotry he had going on.