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After giving in to Putin/Xi's demands to not provide starlink internet service over Taiwan, DOD officials are growing nervous about trusting Elon's Space company with our national secrets

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Satellite internet already existed way, way before Starlink. You know, good satellite internet where you have a single geostationary satellite giving you high speed instead of these small Leo ones that will fall out of orbit within a decade...

Why would Taiwan even need Starlink?

Having said that: fuck Musk, and yeah, they should never have allowed this dumb ass anywhere near rockets

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The traditional satellite internet is slow and high latency. With the Starlink approach, it is indeed an issue that the satellites need to be continuously replaced, but it does provide a superior service to the user, and combined with SpaceX often launching them "almost free" by piggybacking on free space around their customer's payloads and not having to pay anyone for launches otherwise, it does come out cheaper than the old satellite internet.

But that's just the technology. The fact Musk is anywhere near that project makes Starlink a liability.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The vast majority of starlink are launched on their own flights.

They get a few freebies here and there but it's not the defining factor of their success.

The success is their reusable rockets and turning satellites into a smaller mass manufactured item amd getting economies of scale, not a giant super expensive item.

Edit: also they made reusable rockets then had to figure out a use for them as there wasn't enough global launch demand. They made their own demand. Then they used their own flights to test riskier things like the rockets with the most launches to fine tune the system without risking customer payloads.

Edit: Also for reference launch masses and dish costs

  • Hughesnet JUPITER 3 (EchoStar XXIV) has a launch mass of 9200kg. ($445 million)
  • Starlink V1 is 260kg (200k USD)
  • Starlink V2 Mini (current) 740kg (800k USD)
  • Starlink V2 (future satellites for starship) 1250kg (??? USD)

And obviously the Jupiter 3 will stay up there forever so they can recoup costs if starlink doesn't kill them, but thats a lot higher up front cost and they aren't making a lot of them so they don't get efficiencies of scale. Instead they're made with very custom stuff meant to last forever which costs big $$$.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Geostationary satellite internet is not "good." There's about 200ms of latency built into the system because of the distance to the satellite, which means you can't use it for anything real-time. If it's all you have it's better than nothing, but LEO satellite Internet is a lot more useful.

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Old sat internet is not high speed unless you have your own private sat and are willing to spend crazy amounts of money and they suffer from very high latency. I’m a musk hater but starlink preforms pretty well. My dream is that the US will nationalize spacex and remove musks influence. Nothing but a cancer