you're a bit confused what it will mean to the conflict if trump gets in again, not only will the united states support dissapear (of which it's been over 75% of everything, cash, loans and arms, ukraine has gotten so far), it is the worlds only superpower. with the us under trump again, he will actively stymie ukraines abilities to receive support, with china on russia's side, there's nothing europe is going to be able to do, the only thing europe can do at that point, is hope vlad stops at ukraine. europe will write ukraine off as a business expense, and hunker down.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

40-45% not 75% source

And if europe actually gets their act together they can stop russia in Ukraine. They have to revitalise their arms industry, be more generous with ukraine aid, and use their intelligence agencies to aid the AUF. And it’s vital we counter Putin’s social media information wars so his far right parties don’t win more elections across europe.

If you look at aid per GDP, Spain, Italy and to a lesser extent France and Germany are the EU countries that need to step up to help fill a possible gap caused by Trump.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Hopefully north korean shenanigans can convince South Korea to give significant military aid, and Japan’s new more centrist parliament will have more will to help Ukraine than it’s previous more right wing one. After all, Japan is still the fourth largest economy on earth.

Anyways what I’m saying, is if Trump is elected, it’s no reason to give up on Ukraine. It means we all need to try harder.

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

If I was SK, I would be concerned about what Putin gave NK for the troops.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

SK is already working on it, but there's a law about not providing weapons to countries at war they need to bypass

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Switzerland has a similar law. But since a far-right pro-“peace” (that means pro-putin) party is our largest party, we’ve hit an unfortunate roadblock. It really sucks because we have so much equipment rotting away we clearly could give to help ukraine.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Europe also has the frightening option to attempt to trigger article 5 before January, and make the US choose whether to honor the commitment or leave Europe. It sounds nuts, but if you know you have yo fight russia eventually, it’s bold but could work.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

I doubt Russia will attack a NATO member.