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KOTOR 2 PCM with spoilers if you haven't played it yet (you should also it's two decades old)
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Ahh, Kotor 2, my first morally ambiguous RPG that made me question if it was wrong to help homeless people due to unforseen consequences as a 12 year old (which, BTW Kreia, it IS good to help homeless people who are starving, wtf dude)
That was a well done little compass thing, and a lovely trip down memory lane. Thanks for the share Jesus!
Kreia: "Helping people? What are you, five?"
Kreia: "Hurting people? What are you, five?"
Kreia: "Ignoring people? What are you, five?"
10/10 mentor figure
"Ugh, get off my back, mom! I'll figure out ethics by myself! Jeez..."
Kreia is the Wise Old Mentor by way of cranky, ornery contrarian and I love it. She's exactly what you'd expect a librarian who left the Jedi Order because she thought she could do better to be like. And that's not even getting into spoiler territory!
She's great - love or hate her, she has more personality than almost any other character I can think of. Even her contradictory actions can be examined and explained based on who is there to see her and the lessons she wants them to learn.
Even if said lesson is "don't touch or try to influence my apprentice, you imbecile!".
This dilemma and seemingly contradicting moral enforcement really messed with me on my first playthrough lol, I was like, "wtf do you want, woman? In your eyes beating up this poor innocent man is just as bad as helping him out with a few credits... so, what is it then??" and every time I tried to follow her way (I didn't pick the right options that'd have her and I in agreement) she'd get even more pissed off and at the latter half of the playthrough I was like yeah I'll see you in my next playthrough. Buh-bye cryptic grey force user!
Kreia couldn't care less about the beggar. The point of her lecture was to get you to consider the unintended consequences of your actions, since she was screwed over multiple times by her own. That's why she says something no matter what you choose.
Kreia is a teacher before anything else. She's also a massive hypocrite, which makes her infuriating if you don't recognize it's intentional.
I believe the Restored Content mod restores some scenes where you can actually earn her approval (including during the end game), which helps a lot.
It definitely took me a while to realise what her true meaning was by those lectures and while I don't fully agree with everything that she says, some of the things do make sense and have a point (if not for being presented in a rather unsavoury way but I think that was the intention) also yes RCM does help with that... a lot! Which makes disagreeing with Kriea in some areas a lot less frustrating.