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As human rights groups continue to call out war crimes committed by the Israeli military, we speak to the only U.S. diplomat to publicly resign from the Biden administration over its policy on Israel.

We first spoke to Hala Rharrit when she resigned from the State Department in April, citing the illegal and deceptive nature of U.S. policy in the Middle East. “We continue to willfully violate laws so that we surge U.S. military assistance to Israel,” she says after more than a year of Israel’s war on Gaza.

Rharrit says she found the Biden administration unmovable in its “counterproductive policy,” which she believes has gravely harmed U.S. interests in the Middle East. “We are going to feel the repercussions of that for years, decades, generations.”

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 70 points 3 weeks ago (58 children)

I really want to know what the actual reason is that we're so boneheaded, so obstinate, so relentless in our "support" for Isreal no matter how fucking crazy they get...

Is it really just more money for defense contractors? It's it really fear of AIPAC? Is it even more fucking absurd and we have actual Christian dominionists trying to bring Armageddon whether it's the Democrats or Republicans?

I just don't understand it...

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

tldr: the US is still supporting Israel is because Israel has historically been extremely beneficial to US interests.

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The reason is that Israel has been a steadfast ally in advancing and defending us interests for half a century, and there is no one else in the Middle East who could play that role half as effectively or reliably.

there was zero chance of the US immediately cutting off aid after 50 years of aid, especially while dozens of other countries have also been providing aid and are still providing aid to Israel.

that was never an option and should not have been an expectation from the public, who only has that expectation because most people have only recently learned about the Palestinian invasion by Israel that's been happening for over half a century.

One year is not much time internationally or diplomatically. it's not much time for intelligence agencies to determine what is happening, especially in the fog of war, and it isn't much time for effects of actions to be seen, no matter what actions are taken.

in israel, The US has an attack dog to deal with US enemies in the Middle East, and now the attack dog has broken its leash and isn't responding to commands. Netanyahu is aging, centralized power, and is acting literally insane.

while I have been loyal, this completely separate nation has saliently chosen to have been loyal, although they were and are under no obligation to be loyal to the demands of the United States, as is now being seen.

it's only been one year, and regardless of what you hear, diplomatically the US is continually trying different tactics to stem the violent efforts of a nation with plenty of resources that has no obligation to listen to the US other than continued financial support, that it has plenty of already and has many other sources of aid.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 27 points 3 weeks ago (28 children)

So to counter basically your whole point: You know how Reagan stopped the Israeli bombing of Beirut in 20 minutes with a phone call in 1982? That's how someone who actually wants Israel to stop does it. Biden isn't stopping them because he doesn't want to, not because his administration is "diplomatically the US is continually trying different tactics to stem the violent efforts of a nation...".

Don't defend genocide support, it's not a good look.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

The reason is that Israel has been a steadfast ally in advancing and defending us interests for half a century

Tell that to the crew of the USS Liberty.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

a steadfast ally in advacing and defending us interests

How? At least militarily they've only ever been a liability.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

there was zero chance of the US immediately cutting off aid after 50 years of aid, especially while dozens of other countries have also been providing aid and are still providing aid to Israel.

Those other dozen countries are only doing because they follow the USs lead. And maybe Germany being hysterical about it instead of learning from its past, that never again must mean never again for everyone..

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

The reason is that Israel has been a steadfast ally in advancing and defending us interests for half a century

what a load of crap. Israel almost always has right wing leadership and those leaders run far more billboards celebrating their relationship with Putin that with the US. We have no operational bases there. They havent participated in any of our military conflicts. They are not an extension of US power. If they were, we have operations happening out of there.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

The worst stuff in the world always comes down to money, power, and bigotry.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I overheard a brief conversation between Trump-supporting veterans last week. Youngish guys, so not your average Vietnam boomer. It was startling to hear them talk about what's going on in Israel in two stark terms:

  1. They talked about Israel being savagely "attacked" by Iran. Not Hamas, but literally Iran.

  2. They hope the military turns Iran to glass.

No mention of Palestine or Gaza at all, nor of the history of Israeli aggression. All they see is that Arabic nations launched an attack on Israel, and Israel is "fighting back." It's a mini holy war to these guys, and I'd guess a sizeable bipartisan coalition within the military industrial complex sees it exactly the same way. Palestine, to them, is just collateral damage in a broader war that was started by "them."

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's not a point of view singular to the military. It's a pretty stock conservative take.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

I didn't say the former, and my opinion doesn't preclude the latter.

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[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Pretty sure OP is asking why the US gov relentlessly supports the genocide, not maga morons.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

I'd guess a sizeable bipartisan coalition within the military industrial complex sees it exactly the same way.

They did address that point.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

...which is why I said:

I’d guess a sizeable bipartisan coalition within the military industrial complex sees it exactly the same way

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[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To add on to what others have already said, Israel also supplies the US with a lot of advanced technology and biotechnology. All the cellbrite scanners used to hack into phones come from them, medical equipment like sleep study equipment, drugs, and other things.

Although it seems an area that would be good to just bring in house for national defense in the event a partner nation goes rogue.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We should never have given any of that responsibility to a non NATO country in the first place. We've been tied to this country by lobbyists.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, it always seemed like a lazy republicapitalist move. Why ever sell out so much security to a vague third party. They have smart people, mad respect to their engineers. No question. But national security being sold to a third party seems like nation-state safety 101.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

It's a sense of guilt about the Holocaust and a complete failure to realize that nations are as individuals. A victim can become a victimizer; an abused can become an abuser.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Quite easy really:

In the past they were a strategic counter against the islamic regimes aligned with the USSR & Today they are a strategic counter against Iran

Allowing Iran to destroy Israel and having them expand their influence in the region is considered worse

Also don't we have large weapon caches there?

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's pretty simple.

There is an election in November and noone wants to anger the power AIPAC lobby or Jewish voters.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

theres about 7.5 jewish voters split between republicans and dems. Theres about 3.7 arab american voters which are part of the 4.45 million muslim voters. Jews arent a voting block of a size to be overly concerned about. And the dems probably lose more votes supporting israel than they gain. So this is about money, not votes.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Fair enough. Didn't realise there were so many Arab voters.

I agree. It is about money.

AIPAC is very well funded and powerful.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Numbers 2 and 3. Israel is lucrative, but not "Piss off numerous other customers" lucrative.

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