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[–] davel@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace

The shooting war in Ukraine began with Yanukovych’s overthrow nine years ago, not in February 2022 as the U.S. government, NATO, and the G7 leaders would have us believe.

So many people forget that the Ukrainian Russian conflict never really ended, the idea that it was an unprovoked invasion is absurd, (and no, before someone decides to make a braindead comment, provoked does not mean justified.) There have been many leaked videos pre-invasion of violence towards both sides, and neither side made a proper effort to actually quell it, only surface level bullshit inorder to take the "moral ground:

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Westerners usually don’t know any of that, because Western governments, NGOs, and corporate media erase all inconvenient context and history. I try to point folks toward developing real media literacy

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 3 points 1 week ago

@davel @drwankingstein All of which have their biases and really a very limited subsample of viewpoints and history.

[–] Samueru@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Holy shit I didn't know admins in this place were full blown Russian lickers. I don't know about you but I would gladly have my country join nato if that means not ending up like Georgia or now Ukraine twice.

Also congrats on getting Finland to finally join nato btw.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right??? They act like they are concerned about what events could have taken place to ensure that the invasion never happened. Guess what could have occurred that would have been the biggest guarantee that the invasion could never happen? Ukraine joining NATO prior to the invasion....

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Cool, maybe the US will blow up its new ally’s pipelines too someday. We are not a trustworthy ally.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

@Samueru @davel Is there something about people from lemmy.ml that makes them only capable of insults as opposed to rational discussions?

[–] Samueru@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What rational discussion is to be had when one country is clearly annexing another since 2014 lmao?

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

@Samueru The history goes back way before 2014 and your summation of the situation is inaccurate.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is also a recent academic book (by an Ukrainian academic) about the maidan massacre: The Maidan Massacre in Ukraine: The Mass Killing that Changed the World | SpringerLink

Evidence shows beyond a reasonable doubt the far right / oligarchs were behind the mass killing of over 100 people and blame it on the government in a false flag operation. But people in the west will never hear of this. And if they hear they will dismiss it as conspiracy theory or propaganda. So it's really no wonder people like linus react like this.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

One has to really go out of one’s way to hear it, because corporate media aren’t going to tell it to us, until perhaps twenty or more years from now, when it no longer matters.

[–] Samueru@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Yes it goes back to Holodomor and how russia has always treated ukranians as second class citizens.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com -1 points 1 week ago

@Samueru I find it humorous that someone would downvote me for suggesting that history goes back more than a decade. Guess they are less than ten years old and think their parents appeared out of nowhere when they were born.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 week ago

removed

Or that's what this would be on Lemmy.ml. They are all tankies and they get mad when you point out terrible things like facts.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You are on the Russian instance my friend. I would strongly recommend finding a new home.

[–] Samueru@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What instance do you suggest?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Pretty much any that isn't Lemmy.ml, hexbear or lemmygrad. (And maybe beehaw.social as they have defederated from Lemmy.world)

Just look around and pick one.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

NATO will continue expanding as more and more border countries don't want to deal with limp dick Putin. Russia will be broken up to small territories and anything that remains of the federation will be scrapped and sold for salvage to finance rebuilding what has been lost.

Ta-ta!

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

That is what the US has wanted for the last 25 years, but it’s unlikely to happen. The Global North has very significantly de-industrialized itself, and its attempts at sanctions not only haven’t worked, but are having the effect of it isolating itself from the global majority. Russia has aligned with the Global South. Hence BRICS+ and the larger developing multipolar bloc that’s going its own way, ignoring the US’ “rules-based international order” sanctions, developing its own international balance of payments outside of US dollar hegemony, and working to get out from under the boot of the IMF’s & World Bank’s debt traps.

the federation will be scrapped and sold for salvage

The neocolonial plunderers already tried that, and they even got away with under Yeltsin, but then Putin kicked them out, which is why they’re especially butthurt about him.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@CaptDust @davel When you need to resort to insults like this it's a clear sign you've lost the argument.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Not always, but often 😂