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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

This is pretty harsh on people whose children turn out badly in spite of anything they did. And there are many such cases.

On this subject it seems best to stick to the science rather than to cling to intuitions.

[–] moonlight@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Maybe I phrased this badly, but I definitely don't think it's 100% on parents, society and life experience play a huge role as well.

There will always be a very small percentage of people who just turn out cruel, but I believe 99.9% of people are fundamentally good. It's just fear or pain in their past or present that causes some to be bad to others.

Also I think this is pretty firmly in the realm of philosophy, at least for now. I'm not aware of any research that can really answer this, although more broadly nurture seems to matter more than nature.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I’m not aware of any research that can really answer this, although more broadly nurture seems to matter more than nature.

In my understanding, the research shows it's rather the other way round. But these things are pretty hard to quantify so the debate is always going to be a bit sterile.

I do however take objection when science is instrumentalized in the service of political ideology. As you surely know, a core tenet of Marxism is that human beings are socially constructed. Therefore, rather like religious fundamentalists on the subject of evolution, doctrinaire leftists have a strong incentive to deny science on this subject.

[–] OwenEverbinde@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you heard of DeVone Boggan and how he managed to reduce gun violence in Richmond, CA?

How does a nature-over-nurture person interpret the success of such a program?

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I never said that it's unimportant, just that it's not the whole story.

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