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[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 52 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Hopefully now a better future for Palestinians and Israelis is ahead.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (10 children)

Nope, it will only intensify. Yahya Sinwar wasn't some evil mastermind manipulating and controlling the Palestinian people, they have been fighting an existential war against a genocidal entity that has been exterminating them for nearly a century. You can't get a ceasefire by killing someone beloved by the Palestinian people.

You can hate Sinwar if you want and celebrate if you wish, but the Palestinian people are not celebrating right now, they are mourning. Historically, deaths of Hamas leaders have only hurt ceasefire talks.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.

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[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 29 points 1 day ago (23 children)

As an Irish person, you can't end terrorism with violence. You just create martyrs to a cause, a cause which looks more and more legitimate the more civilians suffer and die because of said violence. "Kill the rebels" every 20 years did nothing for peace on Ireland for 800 years.

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

the future that you speaking of called "west bank" where "Israeli occupier" put bounty on "indigenous Palestinian" homes for burning their cars or destroying their properties. Where the "Israeli occupier" open carry guns threatening or shooting "indigenous Palestinian" and if the "indigenous Palestinian" fight back in any form "since they don't have guns" they get into a military court, then prison, maybe without a charge, then get raped in prison, based on "Israeli sources"

Pretending this not a case of apartheid genocidal military force is stupid considering the overwhelming evidence that you can find reading a few news article or maybe 5 minutes in Wikipedia.

If you are bored maybe you can watch this episode of Anthony Bourdain "Palestine parts unknown" aired in 2013 and ask yourself if that the past and the current living condition what makes believe this will help in anyway!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_bVSRlaIjw

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago (22 children)

I'm not sure the Palestinians will view being ethnically cleansed slightly less vigorously as a brighter future.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 16 hours ago

Bold assumption to claim it will get less intense.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 day ago

Who said anything about doing it slightly less? I haven't heard that from the Israelis.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not while Netanyahu remains in power, he has no incentive to end this.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago

Neither does Israel in general, nor the US backing them.

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Netanyahu is indeed a problematic figure who take these situations into his advantage, maybe another would be better to make peace.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

It’s the only way. The problem is that if he called an election tomorrow he would stand a good chance of winning it.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Not really likely. With all these kids and the younger generation terrorised/traumatized by Israel, hopes for a lasting peace is dim. Imagine your home and loved ones being torn into pieces right in front of your eyes by Israel all because of a terrorist attack that you played no part in. Now multiply this by tens of thousands...They will go on to be members or leaders of whatever terrorist/resistance organization follows hamas. It's an endless cycle where only people on the very top take advantage off.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Hamas was created as a reaction to Israel oppressing Palestinians.

The resistance will continue until the oppressors stop oppressing them.

Sinwar was not a charismatic guy who brainwashed everyone into attacking Israel. Israel oppressed Palestinians into violent resistance.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 16 hours ago

100%, everyone thinking Palestinians were duped by Sinwar into striking back at Israel has no knowledge of the history of Israel as a Settler-Colonial project.

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