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[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

I'm confused by the last paragraph in terms of why a pro-Palestine organization would want to work with a party that is actively genociding them. Democrats working with those groups would have been a great strategy, meaning they wouldn't have funded the genocide in the first place. Right now a lot of Muslims who would otherwise be somewhat apolitical are voting green because of this, and SJP is outwardly condemning Democratic candidates like Biden and Kamala. If it was only the Republicans that were causing the genocide those people would probably be promoting Democrats.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Israel is actively committing genocide against the Palestinians. Biden is complicit in that genocide. The Democrats want a ceasefire. There have been numerous cases of push back from Biden's own administration against his stance on Israel-US relations. The Republicans want the genocide to continue until all Palestinians are dead. Trump has said Israel needs to be allowed to finish what they started.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-administration-staff-sign-open-letter-demanding-ceasefire-israel-rcna125057

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/us-government-employees-gaza-policy-statement/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905

Given that Democrats want the Palestinians to exist and the Republicans do not, it makes sense that the pro-Palestinian groups should want to ally with the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party's inability to get on the right side of history on this issue should not deter pro-Palestinian groups from acting in their own self-interest to achieve their goals. Palestinian statehood would be dead under a Republican christo-fascist dictatorship along with millions of people.

Thus it is useful to pro-Palestinian groups to attempt to ally with the Democrats even if the Democrats fail to reciprocate. The reverse is true for the Democrats. A tit-for-tat copy cat strategy is not useful in this situation. Both pro-Palestinian groups and the Democratic Party need each other and the sooner they both come to acknowledge the mutual beneficial nature of a partnership the better.

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

If the Democrats wanted a ceasefire they would actually be trying to make that happen. The staff pushing for a ceasefire, some of whom remained anonymous out of fear of retaliation, are going against standard Democratic policies. Also that article happened a year ago, still no ceasefire. Meanwhile seeing what Democratic political figures who are on the highest levels of government post, all I ever see is either explicitly pro-Israel stuff or pulling the "protesters are anti-patriotic and pro-Hamas" card. Pro-Palestine Democrats are a minority if they even exist, and the majority of the party who actually has an influence in public policy is bought out by the military-industrial complex and other corporations and don't give a shit about anything but their paycheck - Democrats overall are only escalating the conflict and are not going to end the genocide no matter how much they pretend they want to - Biden hasn't and Kamala has made it clear which side she is on.

Given that Democrats want the Palestinians to exist

Wow those bombs the Democrats sent them sure seem happy to help Palestinians grow and prosper

The Democratic Party’s inability to get on the right side of history on this issue should not deter pro-Palestinian groups from acting in their own self-interest to achieve their goals.

Have you even been paying attention to the protests? Unlike lemmy.world politics, these protesters hold a very fine line between what is tolerated and what isn't, meaning anything that causes their families death and suffering through their tax dollars crosses that very fine line. The entire purpose of the protests is to demonstrate that this issue is not one they will negotiate with. Expecting a group to tolerate their families being less bombed over more bombed is fucking ridiculous. I wouldn't want my family to be bombed at all and neither do Palestinians.

Palestinian statehood would be dead under a Republican christo-fascist dictatorship along with millions of people.

Palestinians will be dead regardless of whether it is a christo-fasticst dictatorship or a corporate-fascist dictatorship committing the genocide. Don't expect them to negotiate with either of them.

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