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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In other words, from approximately 20 years after India gained independence its life expectancy increased by 12. In 1950, China was at 40, in 1970 it was at 55. In approximately 20 years since the Communist revolution, life expectancy increased by 15.

"In 20 years, the historically developed ethnostate increased its life expectancy three (3) more years than a country which, to this day, lacks a common ethnicity or language and whose development has been uneven at best"

Wow, great work CCP, I bow before the Great Leaps Forward of Mao.

I think it’s relevant that India was starting from further back but i don’t think that’s the only thing that mattered

You thought it relevant enough to completely ignore it until it was pointed out, how sweet.

I’m licking any fucking boots, here, and i’m not about to overlook the evils of colonialism. I am dealing with the numbers.

You quite clearly are licking boots in trying to justify the horrific crimes of Mao and the CCP by playing some "Life expectancy went UP" game while ignoring contemporary trends and trying to play 'whataboutism' games with India using some dubious reading of life expectancy statistics to try to prove that Stalinist-style totalitarianism of the kind that even the Soviet Union had abandoned by that time was actually A Net Good(tm).

Both India and China came a long way from the start of the 20th century and it’s a little insulting to suggest they have not. Looking at the statista numbers again, the global average was an appalling 31 in 1900. India was an even more appalling 22, by comparison China was actually doing well at 32.

Would you kindly read aloud for the class what your own source says is the life expectancy of the two countries at 1900?

I also love how the argument goes from "Life expectancy went UP when the Communist Party came into power! Correlation is causation!" to "Well, they beat the average world life expectancy 40 years later!"

We're fucking done here, bootlicker.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“In 20 years, the historically developed ethnostate increased its life expectancy three (3) more years than a country which, to this day, lacks a common ethnicity or language and whose development has been uneven at best”

This is a weird ass argument. China was not a historically developed ethnostate during this time period. It had--and still has, much to the disappointment of its leaders--a number of different ethnic groups. Just because the Han dominate modern Chinese society does not mean there are no other ethnic groups there. China did not have a common language at this time, either, though it's working hard to stamp them all out but one.

You thought it relevant enough to completely ignore it until it was pointed out, how sweet.

I was aware of this before you pointed it out, but i didn't feel like it warranted inclusion. That's not the one true measurement, either. It isn't my job, here, to include every possible alternate look at the data. I'm not writing a doctoral thesis here, this isn't a "gotcha". There's still really only one period where India wins this comparison, and it's during a historically dramatic (and, yes, self-inflicted) famine in China.

You quite clearly are licking boots in trying to justify the horrific crimes of Mao and the CCP...

I am doing no such thing. Don't read weird bullshit into my arguments.

Would you kindly read aloud for the class...

These are different numbers and... don't really refute anything i said? "Life expectancy" is different from "life expectancy from birth" and i have been careful to compare like-for-like in this thread.

"...Correlation is causation!”

This is a sound argument and it does mean we can't draw definitive conclusions from this, but these numbers do contradict the narrative that everything in China (or whatever Communist country you like) is horrible.

We’re fucking done here, bootlicker.

Cool.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Just because the Han dominate modern Chinese society does not mean there are no other ethnic groups there

Ah, so Israel isn't an ethnostate either, because other ethnicities exist, lmao

These are different numbers and… don’t really refute anything i said? “Life expectancy” is different from “life expectancy from birth” and i have been careful to compare like-for-like in this thread.

"These are different numbers"

It's literally the link you provided, lmao