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Let the Quran Speak: https://m.youtube.com/user/QuranSpeaks

Ghamidi Center of Islamic Learning: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC1isGGyqPXxGb3i_Tr6agHg

Mufti Abu Layth: https://m.youtube.com/user/MadinanPath

Adnan Ibrahim: https://m.youtube.com/user/shaikhAdnanIbrahim

The Usuli Institute: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCacZ3k2AOpd5-3tdCxcDmgQ

Search For Beauty: https://m.youtube.com/user/TheScholarofthehouse

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Noor's Notes: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCs89viU2Xf2zJ8qj3Z7bmNg

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THE SEARCH FOR BEAUTY: https://www.searchforbeauty.org/

THE USULI INSTITUTE: https://www.usuli.org/

QURAN SPEAKS: https://www.quranspeaks.com/

AL-MAWRID.ORG: https://www.al-mawrid.org/

GHAMIDI.ORG: https://www.ghamidi.org/

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Female dress code is extremely strict to the point you have to literally cover yourself from head to toe, loose clothing, not allowed to be beautiful except for your husband, like you are some kind of clown who does a special performance for a vip, like you are his personal property. To get to the point of the title, men on the other hand don't have all these oppressive rules. I am tired of the sugar coating.

Navel till knee IS NOT MODESTY. They are not required to cover fully, let alone the head, but their body. This rule is half naked. This is one step before showing your genitals, how is that modesty? So men wearing shorts to cover the bare minimum, the standard through the whole world, their penis, is now modesty?

I am so tired of pretending like the men in the rest of the world are walking down the streets, go to to work and socializing with their penis out, but islam made the amazing change for men to wear clothes to cover at least their penis. Are we supposed to be thankful? Wearing clothes is the basic standard, but muslim men wearing clothes is modesty? But a woman is damned if she wears a belt in her modest clothing?

The only difference men and women have is genitalia and breast, which means both have arms, legs, face and hair. Why is my existence as a woman a sin so I have to cover my whole personality, but he can walk around barely naked? Why doesn't he cover his whole body? Why is that not a requirement just like it's for a woman?

Why should I see his masculine figure, what if a gay man sees him? Oh yeah they never thought about that.

Besides that, no one in the muslim community truly gives a damn even if men wear shorts shorter than their knees, but a woman is being damned for the slightest thing.

Last but not least: purity culture is rape culture.

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The rest of the world has a hard time relating to us because our communities have an optics and aesthetics problem.

Muslims have completely abandoned any sense of aesthetics and that is, in my opinion, the main reason it is so hard for the rest of the world to take a stance in our favor and see us as their equal. It is obvious to me that muslim societies have almost unanimously given up on beauty.

For the life of me I will never understand why to this day, in western countries, we still see muslim men with scrawny unwashed faces, untrimmed beards, a qamis so long it's practically wiping the floor, and a dirty pair of airmax walking around in a society where everyone is groomed, shaved, smiling and well dressed.

I will never understand why so many (not all! But many) mosques smell like feet and sweat the second you enter, and why it is so hard for people to regularly wash and scrub those carpets.

I will never understand why women complain about strangers avoiding them and systemic racism when they decide to go for fully covering dark jilbabs in the hopes of hiding themselevs when it does nothing but make them stand out so much because the contrast with other women is just blarant.

There is no other religious community which has decided to behave like this and make their life 10x harder than it should be. If we were to abide by quranic rules, it is clear and unequivocal that none of this has ever been asked to them.

You can dress modestly and not look like you just came out of a cave.

You can avoid the male gaze without LITERALLY blocking the gaze, because that in facts does the complete opposite, you live among people who perceive a fully covering veil as a threat.

You can adapt to your surroundings and the people among whom you live otherwise islam could not be the universal religion it aspires to be, all you do is actively push people away, create a barrier between them and islam, how on earth could one join the religion or even just treat you with respect?

The way you present yourself is the single most important factor in spreading islam, be righteous, good looking, clean, groomed and succesful, and people will look up to you and equate your behavior and appearance to the teachings of islam, but dont expect to be accepted into a society which you actively try to NOT fit in!

It's just madness.

I'm not asking people to uncover their hair or show their awra, but I think there is a balance that can be found?

I worked in Japan for 6 months and I was shocked to see how well malaysian and indonesian muslim women could seamlessly blend into a non muslim society like Japan, they dress modestly, but are still fashionable and follow japanese dress codes (which I admit are already very modest which does make things wasier for them).

It was a striking difference, coming back to Europe and taking the subway, I just feel pity for the women in niqabs, Im aorry sister but it just looks ridiculous, you are trying to hide yourself, but in a sea of women in jeans and loose hair we in fact can only perceive you out of everyone, which completely defeats the purpose.

You can tell everyone is awkward around you. Why do you inflict that upon yourself?

Not engaging in arts, giving up on music because of some salafi interpretations, giving up in the sciences and technology are big mistakes which led muslim societies to destroy their civilization culturally, if we were to summon and bring back to life al andalus or baghdad muslims from 5~10 centuries ago, they would be horrified to see what the muslims have become, we used to seek arts, sciences and beauty, today we consider that to be borderline sinful to do ANYTHING but preach and actively detaching ourselves from weatern societies, which we actively actively push back from yet refuse to actually leave.

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I see a lot of Muslims wishing they could move to a Muslim country thinking it would magically mean sharia.

It's weird since they idolize the UAE and why?

It's a slave state and you are materialistic

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Now that we’re in the last 10 days of Ramadan, I’ve been thinking a lot about why we have to pray taraweeh and qiyam—and prayer in general—in Arabic, especially since most Muslims don’t understand what they’re listening to or saying.

Yes, we could learn Arabic, but realistically, most people don’t have the time or resources to do this. Also, it’s much easier to learn for native Arab speakers even if fusha/quranic Arabic is not the same as modern Arabic. And most Muslims aren’t Arab—so why was everything revealed in a language that most Muslims don’t speak? People say Arabic expresses things like no other language, but isn’t that also because Allah made it that way? If He wanted, he could’ve made a language like Urdu, for example, which most Muslims today would understand.

Others say we pray in Arabic to preserve the Quran. But preserving the original text and only praying in Arabic aren’t necessarily the same thing. You can still accept that the Arabic Quran is the original while praying in your own language. I don’t see how a slightly imperfect translation would be worse than not understanding anything at all.

Some say it keeps us united, but why does language have to be what unites us? Shouldn’t it be our belief in Allah and Islam instead?

I’m not trying to argue, just looking for a logical explanation. I don’t want to blindly follow rules without understanding some wisdom behind them. A lot of people try to reason this with outrageous mental gymnastics and none of them seem to make sense to me. Would love to hear other perspectives.

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I’m sorry, I’m sure this has been asked before but I am really struggling with the concept of slavery, and female slaves specifically and the idea of them being free to be used by their masters.

The whole idea of capturing another nations women, enslaving them and then being free to use them sexually (regardless of consent? And if they’re married or virgins etc.)

I have never discussed this with anyone, but I did one day ask my husband if there was another religion out there that believed it could take over our land, kill or enslave you - and enslave me & our daughters and have their way with us theoretically, wouldn’t you hate them. He just nodded and I guess could see where I was coming from but had no answer for me, and never discussed this again.

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Quran is against enslaving others - update! sorry for the wall of text guys I didn't mean to and plz check the comment thread

Im just updating my slavery post I made 2 month ago and exceprt Melwood786 words into as he provided lot academia sources:

Throughout the years Islam has been misunderstood & misinterpretation by Muslims and non-Muslims believing quran advocates slavery. However, that is false if you see many verses Quran said free them(24:33, 90:8-13, 2:177, 90:60, 4:92, 58:3) treat them well(4:36), and you only have sex with them through marriage(4:25, 24:32, 70:30).

heck, this verse settled the debate once and for all on slavery( in other words enslaving):

In the Quran, Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and demanded that he free all the slaves (44:18-21). When Pharaoh refused, Moses called those who practiced slavery criminals (44:22). Enslaving people was the explicit reason given in the Quran for God punishing the Pharaoh and the Egyptians (23:47-48). These stories in the Quran are not told for their entertainment value, They are told so that Muslim can extract important moral lessons:

Indeed, in the stories of these men there is a lesson for those who are endowed with insight. [As for this revelation,] it could not possibly be a discourse invented [by man]: nay indeed, it is [a divine writ] confirming the truth of whatever there still remains [of earlier revelations], clearly spelling out everything, and [offering] guidance and grace unto people who will believe (quran 12:11)

But apparently, given how my people think that slavery is allowed in Islam, it's a lesson that falls on deaf ears.

The Quran 9:60 literally says that freeing slaves is "obligatory/فَرِيضَةً".

I found it by this brother  for his excellent breakdown and amazing resources to back his claim 🙏, he will be mentioned a lot in this post as he provided a lot of evidences for this topic.

 https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/1cm9jpn/comment/l3cj6r6/

ps: this is regarding enslaving people, as most people some times confuse/conflict slavery as a system and practice, and from this verse it is very clear that the latter is forbidden and the former isn't. Slavery existed in past society over the years/eons and it will take time to abolish slavery( slave workers, trade, etc) from that society which doesn't let slaves becoming homeless, poor, lost, defend, can't think for themself, etc.  made a detail posts on this topic at quranist subreddit which I will link here, on why didn't god abolish, but in short god is against ENSLAVEMENT/ING of others.

Quranic_islam: My response to an FAQ - Slavery, "Sex Slaves" and what Your Right Hand Possesses

My response to an FAQ - 4:24 "All married women, except what your right hands possess"

My response to an FAQ - Why did God not prohibit slavery?

https://x.com/quranic/_islam//Quranic/_Islam/status/1616034216306937856%E2%80%A6 thread done by Quranic_Islam

Joseph A Islam: SEX WITH SLAVE GIRLS: provide from the quran and disprove misconnection of when coming to slavery like men allow to have sex with slave which is not support by the quran. Also help you understand that ‘ma malakat aymanukum’ (Literally: What your right hands possesses) is doesn't refer to a specific gender. Rather "right hands" means  ‘those that one keeps in protection and honour’. This can include captives, slave girls, maidens, servants  (fatayatikum 4:25) etc. ‘ma malakat aymanukum’ can apply to women who owned men slave/servants, etc. so **‘**What your right hands possesses' isn't define by gender rather anyone.

Now I will links of evidences from hadiths, scholars, and others so here:

What Does the Islamic Tradition Say About Slavery? Khaled Abou El Fadl by Dr.khaled

On Slavery and a Moral Reading of the Quran, Usuli Institute Khutbah, 30 August 2019

Eradication of Slavery by Islam - Amin Ahsan Islahi's Explanation - Dr Shehzad Saleem

Slavery and Islam by Dr Jonathan A.C. Brown and Dr. John Andrew Morrow wrote: **"Slavery & Islam" (Academica Press, 2024) This book is a response to the work of Dr. Jonathan AC Brown who claims that the Qur'an, the Prophet, the Shari'ah, and Islam all permit slavery and sexual bondage and that anyone who argues otherwise is an infidel. I argue that human bondage and sexual slavery are prohibited in Islam. https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/John-Andrew-Morrow/dp/1680536370

Sex Slaves: Concubines and Collective Consciousness -Mufti Abu Layth by MuftiAbuLayth

Muhammad didn't have ‘slaves' by Sheikh Nizami:

  • Muhammad, the Prophet of God, was neither a slave owner (however benign the misguided make out his so-called ‘slave owning’ to be) nor a slave trader. And neither was he a raqīq trader. He obtained individual riqāq through two ways: either he was given a raqīq as a gift or he bought them, coming to free them all. al-Nawawī stated in a well known position that they were the Prophet’s riqāq individually, and at separate times. What this suggests is that he doesn’t seem to have simply been a raqīq ‘owner’ in the sense that he had scores of riqāq concurrently for the sole purpose of ownership. Successively obtaining an individual raqīq can suggest that the Prophet intended to obtain riqāq for their eventual emancipation. It cannot be said that he did this because he might have looked bad; being the leader of Madinah, he could have had a band of riqāq and nobody would have raised an eyebrow for something quite ordinary and expected at the time.
  • So while the Prophet freed some riqāq immediately, others he did so after a while. But why the delay? There are variant reasons and possibilities: there may have been mutual benefit in their association; that the raqīq didn’t want to be emancipated just yet; the raqīq wasn’t in a financially and socially stable position where freedom would have meant destitution and/or homelessness; the Prophet wasn’t immediately in a financial position to help the raqīq post-emancipation so waited until he was. We know that it wasn’t always in the interest of a raqiq to be legally emancipated as he or she would then be left without support. In a telling hadith related by Abu Musa al-Ash’ari, the Prophet said, “Any man who has a walīdah, educates her well and nurtures her well, then emancipates her and marries her, shall have two rewards.” (al-Bukhārī)

There were some good arab scholars who did fight against slavery like Ibn Ashur as well as another scholar who sadly lost his life for fighting against slavery he was mixed between berber (amazigh) and Arab his name was, Sheikh Abu Muhammad Abu Salam ibn Hamdoun Al Malaki. There were many scholars in West Africa like Sheikh Abd Al Qadir Kan who fought against slavery and even prohibited it slavery in his area of West Africa and even urged Muslims to resist against the frnehc in enslaving Muslims and Non-Muslims and he even beleived slaver to be haram (like a number of scholars did).

Abul A'la Maududi (1903-1979) wrote:

Islam has clearly and categorically forbidden the primitive practice of capturing a free man, to make him a slave or to sell him into slavery. on this point the clear and unequivocal words of Muhammad are as follows: "There are three categories of people against whom I shall myself be a plaintiff on the Day of Judgement. Of these three, one is he who enslaves a free man, then sells him and eats this money"

(al-Bukhari and Ibn Majjah).

Iranian ayatollah Mohsen Kadivar has used an Islamic legal technique called naskh aqli (abrogation by reason) to conclude that slavery is no longer permissible in Islam

Muslim Scholars Release Open Letter To Islamic State Meticulously Blasting Its Ideology: https://web.archive.org/web/20140925115145/http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/muslim-scholars-islamic-state/_n/_5878038.html

International Coalition of Muslim Scholars Refute ISIS' Religious Arguments in Open Letter to al-Baghdadi: https://www.christianpost.com/news/international-coalition-of-muslim-scholars-refute-isis-religious-arguments-in-open-letter-to-al-baghdadi-127032/

"God did not grant rulers the right to enslave, to rob or to kill their own populations. He rather commanded them, by contrast, to protect them, as rulers have been created to serve their peoples not the other way around." --Shaykh Nasir al-Din al-Daymani [d. 1674]

". . . .in the beginning it [slavery] existed like other Pre-Islamic customs which were not repealed all at once. It [Islam], however, prohibited the making of new slaves, and for the slaves still present many regulations were fixed with this in view that bit by bit they should be released." --Sayyid Ahmad Khan [1817-1898]

". . . .the basic assumption in regard to the human species is freedom and lack of any case for being enslaved. Whoever maintains the opposite is opposing the basic principle. . . ."How then can a man who has scruples about his religion permit himself to buy something of this nature? How too can he allow himself to take their women as concubines considering that this involves entering upon a sexual liaison of doubtful legality. . . .Worse than that, in these days, the evil-doers and those who flout Allah, kidnap freeborn children in the qaba'il, villages, and cities of the Maghrib and sell them openly in the markets without anyone showing resentment or being angered on behalf of the religion. . . ." --Shaykh Ahmad ibn Khalid al-Nasiri [1834-1897]

". . . .the abolition of slavery is according to the spirit of the Koran, to Mohammedan tradition, and Mohammedan dogma." --Shaykh Muhammad Abduh [1849-1905]

". . . .it was quite simply the greatest evil in the history of humanity. The Quran had forbidden all further enslavement and had commanded that all existing slaves be freed." --Shaykh Musa Jarullah Bigiyev [1875-1948]

article provide countless hadiths and quran verse on slavery and no it doesn't say islam encourage slavery rather the opposite plz read it What does Islam teach about slavery? by Abu Amina Elias

"Milk al-yamin" literally means "those whom your right hands possess", meaning "those you have a lawful agreement with". (In Arab culture you grasp hands to make an agreement with someone, such as swearing an oath of allegiance to someone).This system of service was called "riqq"in Arabic. Muhammad said they were not slaves. (Sahih Muslim 2249)

Muhammad's army freed slaves as they took towns. This was usually the first commandment of any newly Muslim town, to free their slaves. For example: When the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, besieged the people of At-Ta’if, he freed their slaves who came out to him. Source: Musnad Ahmad 3257

it isn't a modern interpretation that the riqq system was only a temporary way of integrating already-existing slaves into society. the Imam Jafar as-Sadiq said that as well, which means that understanding was part of the early Islam, passed down through the prophet's family. Slavery From Islamic And Christian Perspectives by Sayyid Sa'eed Akhtar Rizvi

in the 1800s, the Egyptian scholar Muhammad Abduh (1849-1905) wrote:
". . . .the abolition of slavery is according to the spirit of the Koran, to Mohammedan tradition, and Mohammedan dogma."

the Russian scholar, Musa Jarullah Bigiyev (1875-1948), wrote:
". . . .it was quite simply the greatest evil in the history of humanity. The Quran had forbidden all further enslavement and had commanded that all existing slaves be freed."

the Moorish Muslim scholar Shaykh Nasir al-Din al-Daymani (d. 1674) said:
"God did not grant rulers the right to enslave, to rob or to kill their own populations. He rather commanded them, by contrast, to protect them, as rulers have been created to serve their peoples not the other way around."

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/166zr1r/comment/jytc5az/ by Melwood:

"In Africa itself there were abolitionists. Those African states and communities who found substitutes for the slave-trade were often as actively abolitionist as the British. . . . In Sierra Leone a Muslim Mandinka scholar, Momodou Yeli, opposed slave-trading among his own Muslim brethren and the Christians of Freetown, and suffered persecution from both communities for his beliefs. Without his assistance the Freetown courts would have found it difficult to stop secret slave trading in the city." (see Revolutionary Years: West Africa Since 1800, pg. 59)

"Colonial edicts abolished slavery, but enforcement was another matter, as officials often placed the onus on slaves to demand their freedom and compensate their owners. A few instances of mass slave exoduses occurred, but emancipation generally was a lengthy process in which slaves negotiated new labour relations, often as tenants, with their former masters. In other economic domains, too, colonial transformations produced uneven results for the long term benefit of the continent. Europeans disrupted local and regional economies, and left in their place a distorted system in which Africa participated in global exchanges at a relative disadvantage." (see The New Cambridge History of Islam, vol 5, pg. 627)

British and other European slave states "abolished" slavery, they paid reparations to slave owners rather than slaves. It just goes to show you who they thought the injured party was: it was the slave owners who were deprived of their human "property," not the slaves who were deprived of their freedom!

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recent scholarship is largely dismissive of the notion Muslim abolitionism is simply a product of "pressure" from European powers:

"Recently, however, some scholars’ hypotheses have hinted at Muslim abolitionism being something more than a simple response to Western pressure (Clarence-Smith 2006) and described the role of local Muslim abolitionists as fundamental in order to turn foreign abolitionist pressure into law. Lovejoy (2016) himself underlines how opposition to slavery arose in West Africa, and that historiography has focused more on European abolitionism rather than discussing 'the protection of Muslims from enslavement, prohibitions on their sale, and efforts to confront the dangers of subsequent abuse' (Lovejoy 2016, p. 211). In the Ottoman Empire, local abolitionist elites absorbed Western ideas, and others found 'refuge in Islam' (Toledano 1982, p. 278), since egalitarianism was a hard core of the Islamic doctrine." (see Becoming the ‘Abid: Lives and Social Origins in Southern Tunisia, pp. 69-70)

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Muslim abolitionists, both individuals and movements, existed before the British. For example, the Moorish Muslim scholar Shaykh Nasir al-Din al-Daymani (d. 1674) said:

"God did not grant rulers the right to enslave, to rob or to kill their own populations. He rather commanded them, by contrast, to protect them, as rulers have been created to serve their peoples not the other way around."

Even when those Muslim abolitionists were contemporaneous to their British counterparts, their inspiration was Islamic not European. We know this because their contemporaries recorded their sentiments. For example, the American Quaker minister and abolitionist John Jackson encountered the Muslim scholar and abolitionist Emir Samba Makumba in the British colony of Trinidad in the 1800s. Jackson describes Makumba's Quran inspired abolitionism as follows:

"The old man said that he mourned over the condition of the Christian world; he regretted that their youth were in danger of being drawn away by the evil practices of the Christians. He thought it was safe to judge people by their actions. And when he saw the Christians holding those of their own faith in slavery, engaging in wars with members of their own church, and addicted to habits of intemperance, all of which the Koran forbids, he thought it was sufficient evidence that the religion of Mahomet was superior to the religion of Anna Bissa, (Jesus Christ)." (Note: Jackson probably meant to write an-Nabi Issa not Anna Bissa, see Brief Memoir of John Jackson, pg. 122)

https://x.com/Tweetistorian/status/1193852876071849987 part 1, https://x.com/Tweetistorian/status/1194369147867684864 part 2, https://x.com/Tweetistorian/status/1194700315444023297 part 3 thread by Ian D. Morris discussion slavery plz check it out

Did Allah permit slavery ? (Milk Al-Yamin) & Milk Al-Yamin | What Your Right Hands Possess by the op

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/1cfi57t/please/_help/_im/_losing/_faith/ check Melwood:

During the Abbasid period, slave owners were also punished for owning slaves. One account says:

"According to these accounts, in about 869 CE, Ali bin Muhammad, a slave-descended Arab, journeyed into the slave quarters in the marshlands East to Basrah, where Black slaves were employed by large landowners to dig away at the nitrous surface soil, reclaiming the land beneath it for future sugarcane cultivation. It was exacting work, and the slaves were expected to obtain saltpetre from the upper layers of the soil for their master’s profit. Their well-being was often neglected and their oppression was gruesome. Al-Tabari recounts that Ali received an audience among these slaves by claiming that he was an agent acting on behalf of a Caliph’s son. Having already amassed a following on previous journeys, he began ambushing the establishments of rich landowners and capturing their slaves. He also captured the slaveowners and brought them along in his raids. According to Al-Tabari, after he’d gathered all of the slaveowners in one location, Ali castigated them in front of their own slaves. He sought to win the consent of the slaves, and the slaves themselves must have been awestruck by how much their lives had been turned upside down. 'I wanted to behead you all, for the way you have treated these slaves, with arrogance and coercion. . . In ways that Allah has forbidden,' he said. 'Turn them over to us and let us pay you compensation for them,' the slave owners responded after telling him that the slaves were habitual runaways who would betray him anyways. 'Ali ordered their slaves to bring whips of palm branches and, while their masters and agents were prostrated on the ground, each one was given five hundred lashes.'” (see What Was the Zanj Rebellion?: A remarkable episode of Medieval Islamic history that often goes untold)

Another example comes from 19th century Arabia:

"In addition, Ottoman officials were taking stronger measures with the slave traders. In 1880, Nashid Pasha, the Ottoman Governor in Mecca, had the slave markets in Mecca closed, seized and freed thirty slaves, and condemned their owners to one year’s imprisonment." (see The Abyssinian slave trade to Iran and the Rokeby case 1877)

"There is strong evidence to suggest that the Qur'an regards slavery differently from both classical and modern Islamic texts. First, the vocabulary is distinct. Several words for slave in classical Arabic (such as mukatab, raqiq, qinn, khadim, qayna, umm walad, and mudabbar) are not found in the Qur'an, while others (jariya, ghulam, fata) occur but do not refer to slaves. Likewise, 'abd (along with its plurals 'ibad and 'abid) is used over 100 times to mean 'servant' (q.v.) or 'worshipper' in the Qur'an (see SERVANT; WORSHIP); in each occasion when it is used to refer to male slaves, a linguistic marker is appended, contrasting 'abd to a free person (al-hurr in q 2:178) or a female slave (ama, pl. ima' in q 24:32) or qualifying it with the term 'possessed' ('abd mamluk in q 16:75). Further, when the Qur'an speaks of manumission, it does not use the classical 'itq; nor does wala', the state of clientage after manumission, appear." (see Encyclopaedia of the Quran, vol. 5, pg. 58)

from Melwood comment

isn't just a modern "progressive" interpretation that the riqq system was only a temporary way of integrating already-existing slaves into society. Imam Jafar as-Sadiq (the 6th Shia Imam, founder of the Jafari madhab, teacher of Abu Hanifa and Malik ibn Anas, and Muhammad's great great great grandson), also said that as well, which means that understanding was part of the early Islam, passed down through the prophet's family. Islam Attacks Slavery by Sayyid Sa'eed Akhtar Rizvi

from Jaqurutu comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/1alvc2v/comment/kpip1m1/?share%5C_id=EGCl5WF3q-hhIMbrCgWas&utm%5C_content=2&utm%5C_medium=android%5C_app&utm%5C_name=androidcss&utm%5C_source=share&utm%5C_term=1

refuting slavery hadiths about battels led by the prophet by the op

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/1cm9jpn/whats/_the/_justification/_for/_abolition/_of/_slavery/ check others comments, and Jaqurutu & Melwood comments

Edip Yuksel interviews the scholar John Morrow about his new book on Islam and Slavery Edip Yuksel (E) Slavery and Islam - Interview with John Morrow

Does Islam Allow The Practice Of Slavery?! Muhammed Ali by The Muslim Lantern

Slavery was never abolished. checks the comments

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/11xd1qr/comment/jd3a5uy/ check Melwood comment(s)

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/m1q5jj/why/_was/_slavery/_not/_condemned/_in/_islam/ check Melwood comment(s)

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/qwvbyt/how/_to/_justify/_sex/_slavery/ check Melwood and Khaki_Banda comments

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/1d6ziql/i/_have/_struggles/_with/_womanmen/_slaves/_issue/_in/ check Melwood and others comments

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/1db0n8q/doesnt/_960/_abolish/_slavery/ check Jaqurutu & Melwood comments

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/139j22o/concerned/_about/_my/_friends/_religious/_doubts/ check Melwood and No_Veterinarian_888 comment(s)

REGARDING MUSLIM ABOLITIONISTS AND MUSLIM ABOLITIONIST MOVEMENTS by Melwood

ABD AL-QADR KAN

I should point out that the Thomas Clarkson mentioned in the following account was the lesser known British abolitionist who introduced the British abolitionist William Wilberforce to the cause:

"The Reverend Thomas Clarkson in one of his earliest publications lauded Kan:

"[Kan] sets an illustrious example in extirpating the commerce in the human race; and when we consider this amiable man as having been trained up in a land of slavery, and as having had in the introduction of such a revolution all the prejudices of education and custom to oppose; when we consider him again as sacrificing a part of his own revenue; as refusing the presents of Europeans; and as exposing himself in consequence of it to the vindictive ravages of the agents of the latter, he is certainly more to be respected than any of the sovereigns of Europe, inasmuch as he has made a much nobler sacrifice than they, and has done more for the causes of humanity, justice, liberty, and religion. (Clarkson, 80). . . .

"Thomas Clarkson, the British abolitionist, was a striking case among the Christians. He saw in Abdul-Qadir Kan a man of faith and principle whom sovereigns in Europe might one day emulate. Eventually they did, bringing about an abolition of Atlantic slaving that, although sometimes cynical and ineffectual, did come."

In the early 1800s, the governor of British Senegambia also noted that Muslim clerics in the lower Senegal River Valley were anti-slavery and pro-abolition:

"It may be here necessary to remark that there has been greater facility in negociating with [the imam] and less probability of again having disputes with him in consequence of the abolition of the Slave Trade, a commerce which that Prince always opposed as being contrary to the Laws of his Religion, and the means through which several of his subjects, followers of the Prophet, were led into Captivity. (British National Archives, 1811)" (see The Princeton Companion to Atlantic History, pp. 260-262)

MAMADOU JUHE

"'The Hubbu movement mobilized and attracted to the periphery of Futa Jallon the oppressed, the jungle Fulbe, that is, Fulbe of inferior status and extraction who were liable to taxation and to forced labor without mitigation, descendants of pastoral Fulbe recently converted to Islam, certain unassimilated Jallonke, and thousands of slaves concentrated in the rimaibe (slave camps).' . . . In the end Juhe's son, Abal, led a community of discontents to the village of Boketo in the rural country southeast of Timbo. There the Hubbube, repudiating the authority of the Almamate, set up a religious republic, militant if not triumphant. In it slavery was abolished and a call issued to former slaves to repudiate their masters and emigrate to Boketo, where the egalitarian principles being invoked would eliminate their servile status and thus lead to the moral preeminence of the agrarian community." (see The Crown and the Turban, pp. 93-95)

EMIR SAMBA MAKUMBA

I should point out that the following account is by the Quaker American abolitionist John Jackson, who came across Emir Samba Makumba on a trip to Trinidad:

"Among others who came to see us this morning was a Mahometan priest, named Emir Samba Makumba, with whom we had an interesting interview, and obtained from him a brief history of himself and his people now resident upon this Island, where they continued to worship after the manner of their fathers according to the precepts of the Koran. He is about sixty-six years old, his hair and beard, which he had allowed to grow long, are white. He wore the habit of his order, a flowing white tunic. Samba could speak several languages; he addressed us in Arabic, pronouncing the benediction of the Mahometans on those they esteem as people of God. Afterwards he conversed in French, and our friend H.L. Jobity interpreted for us. His countenance was remarkably serene, and although he had been a man of sorrow and acquainted with grief, yet his face was lighted with a smile. He was by descent a chief and a priest among the Mandingoes in Africa, but in early life he was taken captive in one of those intestine wars which are unhappily occasioned among the native tribes in Africa by the slave trade. He belonged to the tribe Fullah Tauro, which engaged in a war with six other tribes to prevent them, as he said, from carrying on the slave trade. . . . The old man said that he mourned over the condition of the Christian world; he regretted that their youth were in danger of being drawn away by the evil practices of the Christians. He thought it was safe to judge people by their actions. And when he saw the Christians holding those of their own faith in slavery, engaging in wars with members of their own church, and addicted to habits of intemperance, all of which the Koran forbids, he thought it was sufficient evidence that the religion of Mahomet was superior to the religion of Anna Bissa, (Jesus Christ). . . . It was a pleasure to be with this benevolent individual, who may be looked upon as one of the brightest philanthropists of the age. When we consider the humble sphere in which he has moved, and the limited means at his command for accomplishing a benevolent scheme which had for its object the emancipation of all his countrymen in captivity, (the Mandingo slaves,) and contemplate the success which has attended the labors of Samba and his co-adjutors, this brief account of him will be esteemed worthy of record."  (see Brief Memoir of John Jackson, pp. 119-124)

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/_islam/comments/ll2ddu/comment/gnob6yk/ by Melwood

"In addition to some of the better known scholars like the ones above, there were lesser known scholars like: the Senegalese scholar Abd al-Qadr Kan (who lived in the 1700s); the Senegalese scholar Emir Samba Makumba (who lived in the 1800s); and the Guinean scholar Mamadou Juhe (who lived in the 1800s). I hadn't even heard of Ibn Ashur, but I'm not surprised to find out that he was Tunisian. If you look at this timeline, you'll see that Tunisia has a long abolitionist tradition."

Umar had a reputation for being one of the most anti-slavery of the early Muslims, perhaps because of his own slave ancestry. He famously told the Persians: "By Allah, I am not a king to enslave you; rather I am a slave of Allah who has been given a trust." (see Umar ibn al-Khattab: His Life and Times, translated by Nasiruddin al-Khattab, pg 203)

ISLAM AND SLAVERY by Kecia Ali

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History/_of/_concubinage/_in/_the/_Muslim/_world#Abolition_in_the_Muslim_World

Dr. Jamal Badawi, Member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research against slavery https://web.archive.org/web/20060719085911/http://www.islamonline.net/livedialogue/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=s905I1:

" answer: Islam never introduced slavery. It arose when slavery was practiced widely people of different backgrounds and religious convictions. In fact, in the Bible there are numerous instances of the practice of slavery and concubinage even by prophets such as Solomon.

Islam dealt with this problem in a wise and gradual manner so as to avoid backfiring such as what happened in the US when slavery was abolished overnight contributing to the civil war. The major steps taken by Islam were:

  1. to dry up any new source of slavery as the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said :"if one takes a free person and sells him or her in slavery, one will never have the smell of Paradise." The only exception to that pertained to the captives of war, a matter which is now classical and irrelevant since international treaties provides for exchange of war prisoners. Even at the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) there were instances when he was magnanimous and set free the captives of war and gave the signal an example of others to do the same (for example, freeing Safiyyah, which resulted in freeing all her people by the rest of the Muslims following the example of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)
  2. to provide for a gradual and smooth ending of the institution of slavery and that included the following measures:

a. to liberate the slaves spiritually and humanly by making it clear that only God is the true master and all humans are His servants and "slave" (in the positive sense).

b. to encourage Muslims to free slaves for the sake of Allah (see 90: 11-13)

c. to allow any person in slavery to regain their freedom to have a contract with "his master" to compensate him financially "for what he might have paid to acquire him before Islam". Once the contract is agreed to, the slaves will automatically be a legitimate receipt of zakat, that the whole community will be participating will be helping him or her regain his or her freedom (see 9: 60)

d. to protect the humanity and legal rights of slaves as a person not as a thing, as the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) taught that anyone who killed a salve would be killed, and anyone who castrated a slave would be castrated…"

e. to teach that slaves must be treated like your own children, brothers and sisters as Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "let not anyone of you say, 'my slave boy or my slave girl' but let him say, 'my boy or my girl'. He also taught that "these (slaves) are your brothers and if Allah willed He would have made you under them." In that sense, the negative notion of slavery was replaced gradually with what may be considered as a "live-in servant" rather than a slave.

If these measures were followed faithfully by Muslims slavery would have been completely abolished within one or two generations. The fact that some people including some misguided Muslims engaged or continued to engage in the practice of slavery is their own fault. Likewise those who argue that since there was no final verse in the Qur'an explicitly abolishing slavery then it must be lawful. This understanding overlooks two crucial points: 1) one is a legalistic interpretation that overlooks the Qur'anic context as explained in the obvious strategy outlined above is a questionable and non-contextual interpretation. It is also an interpretation that does not take into account the maqasid (objectives) of Shari'ah; 2) the second point is that in case of intoxicants there was ample time during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to reach the total prohibition. The reason being that intoxication is a bad personal habit that can be treated within a relatively short time as it is called today "detoxification". Slavery, however, was a much more complex institution that continued for many centuries all over the world and was sanctioned even by previous scriptures such as the Bible. It was a deeply rooted economic and social institution. Given this complexity, a smooth abolishment required longer period of time so as to avoid setbacks. The remaining year of the life of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in Madina where the bulk of legal rulings were revealed, was too short for such a smooth transition. The Qur'an and Hadith set in motion a process that was intended to bring about eventual total abolishment.

Finally, let us remember the beautiful word attributed to 'Umar, the second Caliph after Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), "how could you enslave people while they were born free by their mothers."

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A disturbing trend among Muslims today is defining Islam solely in opposition to an imagined “West.” This imagined "West" isn't based on factual evidence or rigorous academic analysis but rather a loosely defined backdrop of secular liberal hedonism. Consequently, anything perceived as "Islamic" is automatically defined as whatever opposes this imaginary "West," and vice versa. For instance, because "the West" recognizes marital rape as a serious crime, some Muslims instinctively conclude that Islam—being supposedly opposite—must inherently deny marital rape, making such a crime impossible by definition, despite overwhelming Islamic ethical teachings that strongly condemn harm, coercion, and injustice.

Yet paradoxically, while Muslims position Islam as fundamentally opposed to this imagined "West," they readily align themselves with certain Western thinkers whenever these thinkers critique internal "liberal feminist leftist" culture. This explains the enthusiasm some Muslims show for figures like Jordan Peterson, Roger Scruton, Julius Evola, and even Andrew Tate, whose hyper-masculine rhetoric is actively celebrated. Such alliances occur precisely because these figures promote and naturalize hierarchies—especially gender and social hierarchies—that Muslims within this binary narrative find appealing. They perceive these hierarchies as timeless, natural, and divinely ordained, ignoring how historically these ideas are explicitly contingent upon colonial violence and Western dominance.

Take Jordan Peterson, who rose to prominence by intellectualizing misogyny and anti-feminist views that sanctify Western masculine hierarchies, naturalize Judeo-Christian values, and position white male rationality as inherently superior. Muslims initially found comfort and validation in Peterson’s rhetoric, mistakenly seeing him as a voice of religious authenticity confronting the perceived "evils" of modern liberal feminism. Yet the irony is stark: Peterson himself doesn't even regard religion as an authentic belief system, but rather as a pragmatic civilizational tool for cultural stability. Muslims admired how Peterson "intellectually owned" feminists, reinforcing their belief in men's inherent rational and natural superiority—never realizing they were implicitly excluded from Peterson’s elite club of "superior masculine men," since they themselves remain the racialized "other." This exclusion becomes blatantly obvious when Peterson’s ideas are examined in their broader context, yet self-proclaimed "rational, logical men" conveniently avoid such contextualization, confident that their supposed intellectual superiority shields them from critique.

Muslims who emotionally and intellectually invested in Peterson’s worldview were stunned and disoriented when he openly supported Israel, even urging Netanyahu to "give them hell." These Muslims briefly mourned the "betrayal" of their intellectual leader—only to swiftly regroup, quietly removing explicit references to Peterson while continuing to propagate his central ideas. They conveniently rewrote their personal histories, pretending they'd never supported a man who openly desired harm against our Palestinian brothers and sisters. By adapting Peterson’s conservative Western narratives into Islamic jargon, they effectively laundered Western conservative thought through Islamic language, reinforcing their preferred narratives of masculine supremacy and traditionalist authenticity.

In doing so, many Muslims unknowingly defend and propagate a Western conservative worldview deeply rooted in colonialism and racial hierarchies—while mistakenly believing they uphold authentic Islamic traditions. Ironically, they perpetuate exactly what they claim to reject: reliance on Western intellectual frameworks and colonial traditions, falsely presented as divinely ordained Islamic values. They internalize and parrot these views so effectively that they become blind to their own contradictions, precisely because their worldview depends entirely on the imagined binary of Islam versus "the West." Within this distorted perspective, anything they intuitively feel to be Islamic automatically becomes authentic Islam, shielding them from confronting the colonial origins of their beliefs.

It's time we critically reexamine where our ideas about masculinity, hierarchy, and authority actually originate. Otherwise, we risk continuing the very colonial project we claim to oppose.

Have you noticed similar contradictions within your communities? What has your experience been?

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Every time I’m on social media and it’s a Christian majority comment section or niche , whenever they comment on anything about Muslims it all becomes over simplified and explained through racist Islamophobia. I’ve realized that during the Gaza genocide , a lot of Christian accounts have been not only fervently Zionist , but also using Islamophobia to explain away the situation in Palestine. I’ve seen this now with Syria too. With the recent massacres of Syria’s minorities , there have been a number of Christians explaining away Syria’s situation through using Islamophobia rather than talking about the geopolitical situation on the ground , foreign involvement , the oppression of the dictatorships et cetera. It’s as though the actual politics on the ground mean nothing to these people and for these Christian Islamophobes any and everything that happens in the so called « Muslim world » (even if non Muslims are doing the actions) is only explained away as « this is what Islam commands (injustice oppression darkness etc) » or « it’s a religion of war mongering and killing » and this includes situations where Muslims are also the victims of these atrocities.

For these Christian Islamophobes , when the victim is a Muslim , they secularize or christianize the victims. For instance , if it’s a shi’i minority being persecuted and there’s 1 or 2 Christian’s who got killed along with the shi’i or whoever the minority is, the Christian Islamophobes will make generalizing statements as though the victims were mostly Christian or leave out that the victims are even Muslims. Or they will use the name of the sect completely leaving out that this sect is Muslim too. On the flip side, when they secularize it, these people will remove the religious affiliation of the victims while only describing the religious affiliation of the perpetrators which in effect creates an image of Muslims as the perpetual bad guys and Muslims as never the victims of atrocities.

And the crazy part is that whenever anyone mentions Israel’s involvement in the situation of anywhere where there’s a large Muslim population it’s , « Israel has nothing to do with it ». Or they say stuff like « you all like to blame the west » despite the overwhelming evidence of the west’s involvement in the given situation.

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I 23f have recently started gymnastics classes. Ive been jealous of how people can push their bodies to their physical limits and just think gymnastics is really cool. I don't however like the typical female leotard, and think it's wayyyy too revealing compared to the (typical) male uniform. I can't even understand how we managed to convince girls that wearing leotards and having to worry about shaving was better than full body suits. Anyways

I just feel sad about not being able to share in my excitement about this new hobby with the rest of my family because they don't think gymnastics is a girl's sport, especially not a woman's sport. Id begged to be put in gymnastics but wa always met with "a respectable girl doesn't do gymnastics" or something along those lines.

Especially during Ramadan I don't feel I can bring this up and it's just sad that even when wearing 'as modest clothing as possible', gymnastics is still too sexualised in our community.

I want to enjoy the limits of this human form Allah SWT has given me, I want to appreciate it in all it can do. I don't think that's something I'd be damned for, but it hurts knowing that it's looked at in contempt by the majority of people.

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Demonizing Islam

I'm like so over it.

I hate to see that more and more people start to demonize Islam as a dangerous religion.

They take Quran verses out of context and start spreading misinformation without even checking the facts.

They see some garbage on the TV about terrorism and immediately point the finger at the whole religion, as if a normal Muslim person living in a country is a threat for everyone around them.

It has come to the point of which I'm afraid to even say that I'm a Muslim.

In my country, there is an upsurge of right-wing parties.

Even the media seems to be extremely one sided.

For the past few months or so, all I've been hearing on the media has been

"A Muslim has done XYZ"

or

"The suspect was screaming 'Allahu Akbar'"

and so on.

Sometimes when I'm outside I start to feel uneasy because some people look at me and my negative thoughts start to creep in:

"Are they maybe judging me because I look like a Muslim? Because I look like a foreigner? Maybe because of my beard?"

It's becoming so exhausting. I already suffer from a mild social anxiety, but with the way things are going, it's only going to get worse. I hate it, I really really hate it.

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I’m not even joking. Every day before taraweeh he gives a little 5 minute talk about a verse he read or a story he’s researched.

Yesterday he came out with this. He said that before the non Muslims were open and direct with stopping us practice our religion. Now they are more “covert” so they use “hidden tactics” like stopping you praying Salah.

Bro what 😂😂😂😂

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On International Women’s Day, there was a post that went viral on Instagram, about how Islam honors women with hadith, and Quraan verses that prove that.

This is an example of hadith mentioned in the post:

Islam honours Women:

  • A mother is a gateway to paradise, a daughter is a path to mercy, and a wife is a garment of love
  • "The best of you are those who are best to their women" ~ Prophet Muhammed
  • “Whoever has three daughters, cares for them, and is patient with them, will enter Paradise"~ Prophet Muhammed
  • "The best of you are those who are best to their wives"~ Prophet Muhammed

Notice how there is a pattern?

All of these are extremely indirect and focus on what men get rewarded when they treat women well.

This is not fitting the context at all, in my opinion.

I have also heard this talk so much whenever the notion of feminism in Islam is brought up, and I just think that it’s the wrong take and wrong arguments.

I’m actually starting to hate this perspective that is completely centered around men.

It emphasizes how women should be submissive and only serve as a way for men to earn more rewards.

But how about we actually start talking about women now?

What do you guys think?

I’m curious.

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Netflix just aired a completely unnecessary and racist attack on Dagestanis in their new show Running Point.

The show is about a wealthy family that owns a basketball team, and Kate Hudson’s character, Isla Gordon, is put in charge of running it.

The scene in question happens in episode six, where a basketball podcaster named Sean Murphy, who has a history of being critical of Isla, is in the middle of recording an interview.

At this point in the story, he has just revealed something that makes it clear he got inside information from someone who was trying to create tension between Isla and her star player.

Furious, she storms into his studio and interrupts him, demanding to know who leaked the information.

When Sean reminds her that he’s in the middle of an interview, she snaps back with, “Just tell whatever wife-beating Dagestani MMA fighter they can wait.”

What makes this line so outrageous is that it comes completely out of nowhere.

This is a show about basketball.

The podcast is about basketball. The audience watching the podcast within the show would be basketball fans.

There is absolutely no connection to MMA, let alone Dagestani fighters.

The chances of a Dagestani even watching this fictional basketball podcast are next to none.

So why was this line written? It serves no purpose to the plot, no relevance to the scene, and is just a blatant and unprovoked smear against Dagestanis and Muslim fighters in general.

This wasn’t satire.

It wasn’t a joke.

It was a direct attack, casually inserted into a show where it had no place.

And the fact that Netflix signed off on it shows exactly how normalized Islamophobia has become in the media.

If a line like this had targeted any other group, there would be immediate outrage.

But because it was aimed at Muslim athletes, it’s just brushed aside. It’s disgusting.

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For starters , I am a woman (south Asian to be specific- probably can beat you at growing a beard)

My question is , is it haram for Muslim man not to grow a beard ?

The reason why I am asking and also observing Muslim men , tend to comment on non hijab women for not wearing a hijab . Majority of them are clean shaven , shave off their beards etc ( which tempts me to reply ‘brother , where is your beard ?)

Is it fardh for a Muslim man to grow his beard out ?

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So I create content online and it’s mainly beauty and lifestyle content.

I don’t wear hijab, but I do dress really modestly.

I don’t address being Muslim or following Islam in any of my content. I mainly do this to avoid hate comments and my religion is my personal journey so I don’t think the whole world needs to know what I follow.

I guess lately people have noticed from habits that I am Muslim as in my content it’s evident that I don’t drink, I eat only halal or kosher meat, I try not to use a lot of boycott brands and every Ramadan I basically make no content. I’ve been getting loads of comments asking if I’m Muslim.

I don’t know if I should just ignore them or address them because I know that I am doing everything I can to be a good Muslim but the moment I put that fact on the internet the haram police are just going to come for me.

Even right now where I haven’t addressed it I’ve gotten dms saying I shouldn’t eat kosher meat as it supports Israel and is haram.

Kinda disappointing assumption to make as it’s simply not true. I live in an area where Jewish people are the majority but they are also pro Palestine. Even the kosher butcher is pro Palestine. And to the point of if eating kosher meat is okay my scholar does permit it and if I’m going to be honest the halal meat in my area is terrible quality which is why I prefer to purchase kosher.

I just don’t think my religion really has anything to do with my content.

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You love who you love, who you get along with.

My parents would never accept a non Muslim man, but is it bad to say I don’t really care??

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I'm not very well-versed on the subject, and I understand that both conflicts aren't necessarily equivocal, but is this a morally/religiously justifiable position to hold?

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Where do Muslims learn to pray from?

In conclusion, to skip my ramble, my question is where does it describe step by step how to pray? how to do wudhu step by step?

Should a woman wear scarf during prayer or no?

As it is not described step by step in the hadiths and not in the holy Quran.

As someone who did not grow up Muslim, I am yet to learn where all the teachings come from, and how does everyone know everything step by step as I have not found it anywhere.

I am a Muslima who is still learning to pray, as I cannot speak Arabic and i find it hard to remember all the movements, as well as i struggle with the timings of prayers.

Naturally, the Islamic way requires quite a few steps, and requires lots of memorising.

However, I do question how does a Muslim learn to pray?

Especially if one believes that Quran is sufficient enough to be a Muslim, since prayer steps, what to say and wudhu are not explained step by step.

Also, I might be incorrect, but isn't the prayer supposed to be derived from a hadith?

However, I have not found hadith explaining step by step wudhu, prayer motions and when/what to say.

I am just learning the way everyone prays, but I do question the origin where Muslims are learning to pray from as I have not found it explaining step by step in the holy Quran or in the hadiths.

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Like I don't think it was, if it was haram then why isn't it more well known.

If you have proof that it's haram, comment it here, and if you have proof it isn't, then comment it here.

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Question/Discussion❔

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Ah yes the usual music post in this community.

But I'm not here to ask "Is music allowed in Islam?"

Often when I see the people who say "Music is Haram" always associate it with negativity thinking all music are violent rap or promiscuous

There is even this one website ( which im pretty sure most people here know what the website is, but im not gonna mention the name because doing that may get my post removed )

that talks about how music is prohibited, and in the post they deny that music can be positive or can even be used as nasheed by saying

"What kind of light can someone get from something dirty, granted thats not exactly their words but its similar

But im sure music can be used for positive things

I also believe sometimes songs can inspire people with islamic messages

In fact growing up I often sees songs infused with Islamic message

So im asking if any of you can share your own experience where music has been a positive influence, even better if the positive message is Islam related.

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