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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 248 points 6 months ago

As much as I love science, and I’d much rather see billions spent on a collider than war, I gotta admit this is funny as hell.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 125 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (13 children)

I'd rather have a 100km particle collider than an aircraft carrier.

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 37 points 6 months ago (8 children)

What if we build it on a 100km aircraft carrier? Think of the possibilities! heh

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[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

-Dwight D. Eisenhower

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[–] daniyeg@lemmy.ml 109 points 6 months ago (4 children)

for context 22 billion is a few billions less than what elon musk overpaid for twitter. i don't think a bigger collider will do anything but I'd like for humanity to have this rather than whatever the fuck the rich are doing now.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 49 points 6 months ago (3 children)

22 billion is half of what Elon paid for Twitter. He paid 44 billion.

So this seems like a pretty good bargain for unlocking the secrets of the universe.

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[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 35 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah.... And at least this will generate jobs... And not reduce them like it did on Xitter.

[–] zarcher@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago

Cern has produced quite some interesting systems for software and data management. I am sure the added value of the work is beyond just understanding particles.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

LHC and previous colliders did a lot of science. You don't need to think, there are facts.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 6 months ago (7 children)

we almost built a really fucking big collider in the US somewhere in the middle of fuck off land texas.

It died.

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 88 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

Yep, that was when the US jumped the shark. It was the exact moment, Oct 20, 1993, we went "fuck science, we're only doing short term profits now."

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

This would have created a strong science hub and community in Texas, a real reason for the state to be proud of itself, looking towards the future like it did in the 1960s, and that was due to the Democrats with LBJ.
Now instead, they got assault rifle-totin', shit-kicking knuckle-draggers for life, as the whole place builds up inertia sinking into a festering swamp of its' own ignorance.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

As one might guess, the republicans canceled it

[–] Liz@midwest.social 20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

By accident, which is just straight-up embarrassing. They voted the wrong way by accident and then never fixed it.

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[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 82 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If scientists had their way they'd have built the big one first. Or at least something reasonably larger than what they have.. it's politics that is capitalism and war that is the addiction preventing us from having nice things

[–] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think the experience of building the previous smaller ones helped though. I think if you just go for the large one, it will probably fail or overrun the budget and we'll have nothing to show for the money spent.

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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 75 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (15 children)

Is not only about physics research. The complexity of those projects fund hundreds of sectors and push forward new technologies who will have many commercial use.

...Also they've confirmed the existence of this little thing called Higgs Boson which field define pretty much reality, soo... not exactly wasted time.

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[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 60 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I'm waiting on the equatorial supercollider myself. 40,075km let's go!

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 55 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Just make one big enough that you can use billionaires instead of atomic particles

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 33 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Do billionaires split apart into multiple millionaires, and anti-tax neutrinos?

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

There's only one way to find out.

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[–] Turious@leaf.dance 53 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I feel like this should be required watching for anyone who wants to better understand colliders and the politics around them. BobbyBroccoli made this series on the development of some of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivVzGpznw1U

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I don't want to learn science from someone named BobbyBroccoli.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

How about Robby Ravioli instead?

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 52 points 6 months ago (5 children)

You know what WOULD solve physics?

TRAINS

[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago

Yes, trains!

Maybe in a very, very large circular track. A huge circle.

And fast. Super fast. Make them faster by making them lighter. Smaller. Super tiny. So light and fast.

A teeny, tiny, light train going super duper fast in a very large circle.

Sure hope it doesn't smack into anything while going top speed. Or maybe it does, so long as we measure it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yessss run the trains through the collider

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[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And I think it's beautiful.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You just know the letters of the FCC originally stood for Fucking Collosal Collider.

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[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago (5 children)

What would happen if we put a small collider inside of a bigger collider and spun it around while it spun around?

[–] zout@fedia.io 38 points 6 months ago

"Yo dawg, I heard you like colliders, so we built a collider into your collider so it can collide while it collides...."

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[–] inset@lemmy.today 42 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 35 points 6 months ago (6 children)

This is starting to turn into some Full Metal Alchemist shit. If you know, you know.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

How else will we transmogrify enough souls to create a philosopher stone


I mean do science stuff?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 21 points 6 months ago (5 children)

What if they added smaller loops along the main loop, like a roller coaster with loopdy-loops? 🤔

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There will be.

Colliders work best at specific speeds, like gears on a car. The big collider is fed by a smaller one. That one is likely fed by an even smaller one. Eventually, you get small enough that a simple linear accelerator can get the gas up to speed.

Oh, and likely a scientist/engineer grinning manically as they "push the trigger" on the largest rail gun in existence.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You find a whee! little boson.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Just wait, if civilization and/or human life still exists in a thousand years or so, they'll build one into an orbital ring.

Eh who am I kidding, well be lucky to survive the 21st century.

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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Starting to be suspicious like an alchemy circle around multiple cities...

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