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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 42 points 6 months ago (4 children)

How long until a pissed, stressed teacher threatens or even shoots a kid?

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 43 points 6 months ago (2 children)

More likely is that one of them will leave it in the bathroom after having removed it to take a shit. Happens a decent amount of times with school resource officers.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

That sort of thing has already been happening for years with the so-called “safety” officers station in schools

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago
[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Almost like police aren’t trustworthy with firearms.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Hell yeah brother.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Or a good teacher who knows they're neither trained nor paid enough to warrant the responsibility will keep it locked up very tightly and in the panic forget the code / lose the key, and then they'll be the scapegoat after everything ends.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

Cue some distraught parent with little else to avoid feeling any blame except some entitled Monday-morning quarterbacking.

Hell, I was trained in shooting automatic weapons for work. If I hear shooty pow-pow, I'm not going for the gun-safe but the windows.

[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

Or until an angry teenager just takes the gun away from his teacher and uses it instead of having to bring one from home.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 3 points 6 months ago

Or the principal when the teacher's request for more supplies and fewer students per class is met with some dismissive and insulting excuse. No one will care then, either.

The price of America's Freedom to Murder is exactly what you think: dead people.

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Will they give guns to all the teachers, good and bad alike? Then I guess we will find out if the good teachers with guns can stop the bad teachers with guns.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The law is not issuing guns to teachers, it's allowing teachers to concealed carry in a school if they pass some tests and get approval from a few relevant people. The data says it's ineffective at having the intended effect (stopping school shootings) but apparently already 2/3 of states have a similar policy. Anyway, if you want to learn how to stop school shootings I suggest you read Angry White Men by Michael Kimmel.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The law is not issuing guns to teachers, it's allowing teachers to concealed carry in a school if they pass some tests and get approval from a few relevant people

So in other words, the gun laws teachers are subject to may actually be effective for stopping dangerous and negligent people from owning a firearm but we can't apply similar policies to the public because it would inconvenience reactionaries and weapon manufacturers.

[–] Liz@midwest.social -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This law has nothing to do with owning a firearm. It is only about who can concealed carry and where. The law in this area is highly variable, changing even from city to city.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I didn't claim it had anything to do with owning a firearm. You either misunderstood my comment or are deliberately trying to pretend I don't understand the law.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So in other words, the gun laws teachers are subject to may actually be effective for stopping dangerous and negligent people from owning a firearm

Right there.

The law doesn't say anything about whether teachers can own guns or not, just how they will be permitted to concealed carry them in school.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"The teachers are getting additional vetting (to carry within a school) that could be effective and appropriate for all gun owners, but they get a pass"

[–] Liz@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago

Well okay, that's a perfectly valid opinion but it's not the one you originally stated, even if you didn't mean to. They're both valid opinions actually, it's just that the distinction between the two is important because we're dealing with the law, where details matter.

Speaking of which, I must re-emphasize, "they get a pass" really depends on the state and city, but even in the most permissive jurisdictions there's still limits on who can carry or concealed carry and where.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

we are going to give more under-trained humans human killing devices where juvenile humans exist en masse? awesome. im sure that will go super swell.

the mere existence of a human killing device in your proximity increases your chances of being affected by a human killing device. why are we putting children in more danger?

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Also glossed over every time this stupid fucking "more guns" idea is proposed: Are we going to make carrying a gun mandatory for teachers? What's the actual number of teachers who want to be armed while teaching?

The only reason this shit gets support is because it's profitable to the gun lobby. One day the kids that the pro-gun community threw under the bus will run the country and they're going to have no compassion whatsoever for the people who armed their classmates, teachers and random psychopaths who wanted their suicide to be on the news.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 6 months ago

Tennessee has been working overtime to lose my respect in the last year. Everything they've done has been terrible.

I used to live in Tennessee. I'm not disparaging Tennesseans. I'm disparaging the people you elected. I know you probably didn't have much say in the matter (gerrymandering).

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

Tennessee is an idiot fest. Next we will have reports of teachers gunning down kids that piss them off.

[–] DBT@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Make them wear helmets and camo too lol! Stay frosty, teachers

Also no, you can’t borrow a dollar with your McDonald’s-salary-havin-ass. Find some bootstraps to do something with.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Why would a teacher who makes shit money want to take one the liability and responsibility of carrying a gun around school? It's either gonna be crazy teachers who volunteer for the job, or it'll be like the resource officers during school shootings who run away at the first sign of trouble

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 7 points 6 months ago

I've seen enough teachers snap at kids to know this is a terrible idea.

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Ytubers joked about this, sadly it seems reality doesn't realize it supposed to parody...

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

In the late 80s, I lived in Bohemia, NY, in some shitty town on Long Island. I was the only asian student in the town. A teacher named Mrs. Thompson hit me multiple times while calling me racial slurs and while the vice principal watched.

Let's not really solve one problem with a whole new set of problems.

[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

And teachers will have to purchase their own forearm and firearm training. Though knowing Tennessee, they wouldn't require any training whatsoever anyways because that state is full of braindead morons.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

May I presume Firearms will be a new line item in this public school system's already inadequate budget?

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago

You'll note that these are the same people lawmakers accuse of allowing "marxist and critical race theory" in schools. But if you wanna arm the enemy, who am I to disagree?

[–] NightSkyPurple999@kbin.social 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Puts popcorn in microwave :)