And suddenly, Israel seems much more interested in diplomacy.
this post was submitted on 05 May 2024
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Let’s hope.
I believe they're throwing a fit about it right now but we'll see. They don't have a lot of room to complain about literal tons of free guns getting shipped to them.
Looks like protesting still works.
Let’s hope all of this diplomacy also works.
We've been shipping Israel ammo to kill Palestinians for over half a year. We only now stopped one shipment. Think about that.
Best time to stop was yesterday, second best time is today.
We’ve been shipping Israel ammo to kill Palestinians for decades
If we accept this as a justification for continuing, we'll never stop.
It was initially for defense after a massacre when the Iron Dome was breached in October. That was completely justified support. The munitions sold since Netanyahu began indiscriminately killing Palestinians are not.
They've been indiscriminately killing Palestinians long before October.
They've been indiscriminately killing Palestinians long before October.
And during that very long time, Eisenhower, Johnson, Ford, Nixon, Regan, Clinton, both Bushes, Carter, Obama, Trump and until recently Biden didn’t stop selling Israel weapons.
And now Biden has started to cut them off.
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It was never justified and this didn't start that day
Correct. Killing Palestinians is not justified. What I wrote was providing defense to an ally that was just attacked is standard, and justified.
Nobody needs 2000lb bombs - which the US itself doesn't use because they blow up entire quarters and have massive collateral damage - for defense.
This is the equivalent of someone taking your house and throwing you in the basement and then when you come out and attack decades later they fight back and say its for self defense. Please.
So Native Americans should just start murdering Americans until they leave? One state is the only equitable solution at this point.
- I'm not against a one state solution
- Stolen land/property should be given back
- Your example is disanalgous, run the clock back to when the colonies were being formed. If a colonist from Europe came and took their house or the land they use or live on they have every right to fight back.
- If a colonist attacks me and kills my family I have a right to fight back. If I fight back then its not self defense for them but for me.
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These things take time, it’s shitty but this gives me hope that things might actually change.
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I am no friend of Bibi or the IDFs action towards Palestinians, but let’s be fair - the northern border has been lit up lately, and Biden is still a self described Zionist. Not ‘defending’ the Jewish state is going to be a big line in the sand for him
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Great, now stop all money and weapons to Israel entirely. Every day Biden doesn't do this we get closer to a criminal orange man as president.
While I’d love to see that, it would be unprecedented in the history of US-Israel relations. If it does happen at all, it will definitely come slowly.
Also, you may want to stop putting election abstinence out there as a consequence. We’re all aware that Trump will make things worse for Palestinians as well as everyone who isn’t a rich white American industrialist male.
I'm just making sure everyone knows what the consequence is, whether I like it or not. It's Biden's job to do right by the people who voted for him no matter how bad the alternative may be.
His job is to represent all Americans, not just Democrats. Many Republicans and Evangelicals believe in supporting Israel in eradicating Palestinians.
So is Trump's job to represent all Americans, even Democrats? Sure as hell doesn't fucking feel so.
That’s the funny thing about being President. They tend to do a better job when they’ve held office before. It turns out that real estate con men and actors do a pretty terrible job of representing the average American.
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But what about the profits? You can't go around not profiting just because a few thousand children are being killed, disfigured and orphaned! It's like you don't understand neoliberalism at all.
Sarcasm aside, stopping the money and weapons isn't enough to stop the genocide because Israel never needed any of it in the first place. But if you funnel hundreds of billions of dollars to defence contractors, there's nothing the US government won't consent to.
Orange man won't be any different. He's not even trying to pretend it's not a genocide, just coming out and saying Israel should "finish the problem".
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It took 35,000 lives for the US to finally do this?
Nah. That’s happened before, and everything just continued. It took nationwide protests all over the news, as well as several outspoken members of Congress to make this happen.
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