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edited the heading of the question. I think most of us here are reasoning why more people are not using firefox (because it was the initial question), but none of that explains why it's actively losing marketshare.

I don't agree ideologically with Firefox management and am somewhat of a semi-conservative (and my previous posts might testify to that), I think Firefox browser is absolutely amazing! It's beautiful and it just feels good. It has awesome features like containers. It's better for privacy than any mainstream browser out there (even counting Brave here) and it has great integration between PC and Phone. It's open-source (unlike Chrome) and it supports a good chunk of extensions you would need.

This was about PC, but I believe even for Mobiles it looks great and it allows features like extensions (and I hear desktop extensions are coming to firefox android?), it's just a great ecosystem and it's available everywhere unlike most FOSS softwares.

So why is Firefox's market share dying?

I mean, I have a few ideas why it might be, maybe correct me I guess?

  1. Most people don't know how to use extensions well and how to use Firefox well. (Most of my friends in their 30's still live without ad blockers, so I don't think many are educated here)
  2. It's just not as fast as Chrome or Brave. I can't deny this, but despite of this, I find it's worthy.
  3. It's not the default.
  4. Many features which are Google specific aren't supported.
  5. Many websites are just not supporting firefox anymore (looking at you snapchat), but you would be right in saying this is the effect of Firefox losing it's market share not the cause (at least for now) and you would be right.

But what else?

I might take time (a lot of it) to get back at you, thanks for understanding.

occasionally I’ll find websites that don’t work 100% because they were coded primarily for chromium based browsers. FU Google

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[–] Durotar@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd guess that:

  • Google is a bigger brand that attracts many people as a lot of them are already using some of the company's products
  • These other products are well integrated with the browser: browser history is shared across devices along with passwords and extensions
  • Google advertises Chrome in the Google Search, it's a default search engine even in Firefox

Most people are not tech savvy and/or privacy-oriented.

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[–] barrett9h@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why make the effort to switch to Firefox, if the browser that came installed with your device works?

Or, more realistically, people don't even grok the concept of a web browser.

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[–] calzone_gigante@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 1 year ago

Back when IE was on top and Firefox was the best browser, firefox started to put a lot of bad updates, then chrome came, it was faster and firefox started to lose its marketshare, for while firefox only peformed well on linux, by the time quantum came out and it's performance was good on windows again, Chrome was already the new IE, but Google is way better at managing this leadership it than Microsoft ever was, the only technical problem it has is devouring RAM.

In my opinion, gecko being so tied to the browser is also a problem. There's a ton of browsers using Blink, that gives google a lot of control over how the web will evolve. Having other browsers using gecko that aren't Firefox forks would be great.

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I've used Firefox for years and I love it on Android, but on my work laptop (MacBook) I really enjoy using Arc. The vertical tabs let me organise things better, the spaces let me isolate tabs properly in a visually pleasing way, and I don't really care for extensions on desktop as I don't really browse much outside of work. I also prefer chromium dev tools, though it isn't that bad to switch to Firefox's dev tools.

If Firefox adopts few features from Arc, both in form and function, I wouldn't mind coming back. I know sidebar exists which lets you have vertical tabs via extensions, but damn Arc does it the best so far, natively!

Edit: oh, another reason was lack of background blur effects for Google meet. It's coming soon I think (I filed it on bugzilla), but damn it was needed like 3 years ago.

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[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One reason is that if you use Gmail, every two weeks appears a "y u no use chrome" nag popup that can't be permanently dismissed

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[–] AndreTelevise@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Websites glitch out more often on Firefox. I had my favorite Mastodon instance not letting me scroll back up because of some weird jittering bug that only applies to Firefox for some reason.

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[–] olympus@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

For me, until all below are supported Firefox can't be my primary browser.

  1. PWA not supported and only possible with FirefoxPWA. I can't rely to anything but native, Mozilla could break FirefoxPWA any time they want.
  2. I use my browser for my multimedia needs and I use my own Emby Server. Firefox doesn't support mkv container and the most important it desn't support HEVC. Please do not tell me about HEVC royalties and how much Mozilla would have to pay MPEG-LA. Chromium based browsers have enabled hardware HEVC decoding and they pay nothing to MPEG-LA because the royalties have been already payed by my graphics card. Mozilla simply doesn't care.
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[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 year ago

If you've been on youtube for the past 6 months or so, there were a lot of OperaGX sponsorships given to large creators and a decent majority of people have used it, liked it, and started recommending it to others via youtube comments.

There's also the fact that chrome is the browser that, at least here, is the most well known at this point and is usually preinstalled on school computers, so this builds up familiarity.

And probably a smaller reason why is because mozilla itself - it hasn't been that great of a company and the firefox over the years has gotten somewhat worse and worse.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I use Firefox. The only thing I don't like about it is that Duck duck go isn't a terribly accurate search engine compared to Google.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

But you can just change your search engine

[–] jfx@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually in my country DuckDuckGo is the only reliable search engine left. Google started giving me a bunch of bogus results for very specific queries a couple of years ago. Sad that FF depends so much on Ma'Google.

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

On my private PC I use firefox on my work laptop I use chrome. The gmail and gdrive integration just makes it easier.

Still on my private I have to switch to chrome for a few things because it just has more storage

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I used Firefox at work because my company had the enterprise version of Chrome and had a lot of options I couldn't change. Like the behavior on startup. It would only open the homepage, not reopen tabs.

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[–] webdoodle@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Because the U.S. government used the 2001 Microsoft Internet Explorer Antitrust hearings to blackmail Microsoft into government servitude: implanting NSA backdoors, not patching vulnerabilities, disabling system administration tools, constantly hiding or moving useful features. Remember from the Snowden leaks that the NSA's favorite prey is the System and/or Network Administrator who holds all the keys? But what about the guy that makes the keys, wouldn't he be the biggest prey?

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still miss the print a webpage to pdf on mobile firefox.

[–] MixedRaceHumanAI@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's already a feature on Firefox Mobile (Android, 116.3).

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[–] owiseedoubleyou@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I didn't find the performance gap really high when I switched from Chromium to Firefox. Even on my shitty old laptop, Firefox works fine. I have to admit though that it uses way too much memory.

I do agree with your 3rd point though. History has taught us that defaults matter a lot. Firefox isn't a default anywhere apart from linux distros and FirefoxOS was a failure.

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