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[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Australian Jewish Association is a fucked up group of fucked up people. Opposing things they say is anti-idiocy.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (13 children)
[–] malle_yeno@pawb.social 16 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Implying that Jewish people at large need to be told not to murder children because of the actions of Israel is actually anti-Semitic. Citing parts of the Torah to slander Jews when the topic is about Israel is anti-Semitic.

There are Jewish activists who oppose Israel (and Israel abuses them for their activism when they live there, or outright bans them from ever visiting Israel if they live elsewhere). And there are Jewish Palestinians too.

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[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This should be pointed more often, if ideology of a group is including culling other groups then you shouldn't be surprised they actually start doing it someday, this actually also points at many other groups out there and people tend to forget about it till it's too late

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[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Have to condemn Riemer & Lieberman here…

How’d you interpret the last two paragraphs?

Even if most people would not invoke the commandment to destroy Amalek today, there are certainly those, like Rabbi Riemer, who have ventured to do so. And there has been no dearth of similar, violent invocations in reference to the Palestinians, as well. For example, Benzi Lieberman, the chairman of the Council of Settlements said in no uncertain terms: “The Palestinians are Amalek! We will destroy them. We won’t kill them all. But we will destroy their ability to think as a nation. We will destroy Palestinian nationalism.”

The general consensus among today’s Jewish community seems to be that our energies can and must be used to stop the perpetuation of genocidal activity occurring throughout the world, to become agents for peace, and to dismiss any contemporary comparisons to the biblical paradigm. But clearly there are difficult texts and teaching that remain in our tradition that must be remembered and reckoned with.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The vast majority of Jews do not accept what ancient iron age text happen to say as if they were modern moral texts and recognize their ancient flaws. Because most Jews aren't Orthodox, who are the only ones who believe all that shit.

The rabbi at the temple when I was growing up was a lesbian. The rabbi at the temple there now (coincidentally) is a gay man. Considering homosexuality is condemned in the torah and they are still rabbis, that should tell you something.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's part of the Bible, too, so it's also anti-Christian!

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This comment is actually pretty bigoted. I've heard literal Nazis talk the exact same way about Muslims and their religious texts.

Just because something was written in a religious book a thousand years ago doesn't mean it is automatically endorsed by the entire population.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Hey, I agree with you my comment was a bit bigoted. This comment was half-written in the context of being a Lemmy Shitpost, but it has spawned a chain of genuine discussion.

The important thing is to separate the hate for what Israel is doing from Jewish people in general. (Same with Palestinians, Hamas and Islam)

Anti-Semites and Nazis, Islamic fundamentalists, the Israeli government, the Australian Jewish Association all try to fuse the two together to justify violence.

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[–] mcvikingqueef@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

There are Jewish Muslims that live in Palestine. Would it not be antisemitic of Israel to a attack an area that houses Jews of any sect and faith?

[–] Seudo@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Do you mean Jewish arabs? or Semitic Muslims maybe. Technically Semitic is a language group which includes arabic but like indo-european it can also refer to the people who originally used the dialect... bigotry fails at logic.

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Judaism is a religion, not a race. Plenty of people of the race commonly associated with Judsism who aren't Jews. Like your average Palestinian.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 7 points 9 months ago

Palestinians are semites. Judaism isn't a race, it's a religion.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I'm guessing the claim is that saying "Israel is killing children" present a "false" narrative (presumably, false to them). Like you can imagine someone saying "Stop this man from killing puppies!" and it makes him look pretty bad even if he's not a puppy killer.

What's unfortunate is that instead of responding to "false" narratives by pointing out the falsehoods ("Actually all those bombed children's hospitals were faked!" /s), instead this person just attacks the character of the person saying it. It's basically name-calling or tone policing at best. I'm guessing because there's no good argument in support of Netanyahu's actions. Only zealots would support him.

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