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The first person to do it is going to take all the flak. Then 60 years later everyone suddenly sees the nuance in the situation as we do with the ANC in South Africa right now
This is a massive statement that she made and she deserves a lot of respect for it.
People are taking pot shots at this, but if one sides peace plan involves killing everyone on the other side first, it's not a realistic plan.
That includes Hamas, and that Includes the Israeli government
If Hamas wants peace they should at least change their Charter and remove all the genocide statements. Until then it's hard to take them seriously as anything other than a terrorist organization
Like they did in 2017? Wiki link English full text
You should read the part in "Presentation" where they explain the 2017 charter did not revoke the old one, or the "Reception" where it describes critics, correctly, calling it a PR move with dogwhistling instead of outright calls for jihad and genocide. So you would do exactly what you just did, but then they can also tell all the people signing up for a genocide "oh no, we're still doing the genocide."
Or you could say "actions speak louder than words" and just look at who they killed on October 7th, and what happened to the hostages.
Of course, you should also do the same for Israel, compare their actions to their words. Not to mention comparative death tolls, and while you're at that maybe note that Gaza fit the traditional definition of a ghetto quite handily.
I did read it before I posted, thank you. In the same article it cited speculation it didn't revoke the original for fear it would cause more diehard originalists to splinter and form their own more dangerous group(s), not that I endorse that reasoning, just that there are reasons not to revoke outside of it being a sham PR move.
You mean to tell me that an attack on Isreal largely had Jewish deaths? I'm shocked!! While the stats VS demographics can't feasibly disprove the angle you're aiming at, I similarly think it definitely doesn't prove it either.
If you mean the supernova rave, here's an article from an Israeli newspaper suggesting Hamas wouldn't have known the rave was still ongoing and later says, "According to a police source, the investigation also shows that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some festival participants" which really muddies the waters about who is responsible for what.
The hostages, that by the large majority of accounts (that I've seen, so sure some bias there) have been treated as well as their guards? Or do you mean the ones that got shot by the IDF, or the ones that got blown up by the IDF?
I don't mean to suggest that Hamas is some perfect beyond reproach organization, but from the actions I have seen of late, they're largely just fighting against the state forcing them into these conditions.
Action speaks louder than words
If you think actions are loud wait until you hear an IED from within the blast radius.
Find me a single genocide statement in their charter
Hamas has a real charter, and a charter with dogwhistling.
I'd think any person generally familiar with the tactics fascists use to spread their hate to the normies would recognize the concept.
Would you pretend you don't understand why a Republican won't renounce the Confederacy?
Michelle O’Neill, the recently elected First Minister of Northern Ireland,
She was elected 2022
She was also the deputy first minister for some time. Which is essentially the same job.
So. When the Northern Ireland Assembly was suspended. I think it's okay to say recently elected in that case.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Michelle O’Neill, the recently elected First Minister of Northern Ireland, said on Thursday that Hamas will eventually be regarded as the future partner for peace in the Middle East in an interview on LBC.
O'Neill appeared on Tonight with Andrew Marr on LBC to be interviewed about upcoming changes and plans for Northern Ireland after her historic victory.
Pivoting from discussions on Irish neutrality Marr asks her "A long time ago the IRA was seen as a terrorist organization, the British Government and everybody else could not ever talk to.
Do you think that Hamas, although regarded as a terror organization by many people around the world, is going to eventually have to be a partner for peace?"
Later on, she specified that when she said dialogue she meant everyone including Hamas must come to the table and discuss pointing to her own country's experience with ending long-term terrorism.
She condemned October 7 and stated that Hamas had violated international law by taking hostages.
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