There's no negotiation needed. Russia moving out of Ukraine and paying for all damage until everything is pre crimea. If that is all done, rebuild and paid for, then, they can negotiate for less punishment on top. That's the kind of negotiation you start because both sides have something to gain and not one to keep his unjustified war territory.

[–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Even if there is no punishment on top, if Putin ends up losing all he gained, heads will roll including Putin's. If he can gain any amount of land in a negotiation and end the war, he can go back to his people and say that it was all worth it and many of them will buy it.

Edit: *many

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (15 children)

See, there's this slow motion guillotine hanging over Putin right now, and for each month of successive losses, it'll slowly be lowered until it reaches his neck.

Then, after a new favourite of the oligarchy and the generals have rubbed a few backs and made a few promises, said favourite will come up from behind and place his foot on the blade to force it through Putin's neck.

That's only speculation though.

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[–] CultHero@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why hasn't the cancer killed the mother fucker already?

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[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Has Putin actually called for negotiations? An off-hand comment in a Tucker Carlson interview doesn't seem quite like a serious offer.

Also it seems like Ukraine and ukrainians are still pretty much supporting war against Russian aggression: https://news.gallup.com/poll/512258/ukrainians-stand-behind-war-effort-despite-fatigue.aspx

[–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

The negotiation is get the fuck out of Ukraine you blithering waste of flesh.

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