Men's Liberation

I agree with you. But I have another blame to this: the far right is the only political side that works on young men, especially on the romantic side of things.

Feminist is the other group that talks about sexuality and men/women relationships. Their fight is the good one, but they vomited men when it comes to #metoo and the consequences, and sometimes men were even excluded.

The outcome is that when you're a men struggling with women, and this is especially a problem with gamers, long time single men, and young men discovering everything about this kind of things, when you're struggling, feminism is basically abandoning you and sometimes even blaming you.

The only solution you can find about this is from far right with the most toxic and conservative philosophy there is. But it is the only one you can find, as a man, to try to get better about this. Or at least it was.

Those men were politicaly abandoned. And even here on lemmy you can easily read about people arguing that if a man can't find a woman, it's because he is a shitty person and not respectful of women.

So indeed on the one hand the far right led a political fight for this result. But on the other hand no one else was fighting on this ground. The left need to stand up and fight this fight too, rather than to send people seeking help to the far right.

The movie Magnolia predicted this in 1999. Remember "respect the cock and tame the cunt"? Tom Cruise is basically playing Andrew Tate in this movie.

To be fair, work dedicated to reaching young men from a feminist perspective has been pretty limited in recent decades.

Most certainly. They are exploiting issues in masculinity that have been here for decades.

One of the ones they like to use is the 'strong man' and a callback to our forefathers (eg., miners from the 1800s. Typical 'manly' men). There is nothing wrong with being strong, determined, or ambitious, provided you're a decent human being beforehand. These grifters, though seem like it's the only thing that validates a guy, and that we must achieve it no matter the cost. If we don't, we are failures and must find someone or something to blame

On the one hand, sure, you're not wrong. On the other, why are young men entirely passive in your analysis? "The right", neither the talking heads nor the nebulous concept, can radicalise anyone without some level of their consent in being so radicalised.

I’d say they’re doing it to themselves. Feminism doesn’t come across as inclusive, and has a “fall in line or get left behind” mentality.

And on this I'd say I blame the parents most of all. I consider myself a feminist and grew up in an extended family of strong female figures. At no point was feminism (the word) discussed. What was, was an understanding that women are equal to men and deserve everything that a man has be it good or bad.

The problem is that many people fell on feminism as an ideal to latch on to without better understanding and espousing the core principles behind it.

Fast forward to now where I am a 46 year old man with a daughter and 2 boys I have far more concern for the boys than the girl and I make sure as often as possible to stress the principles of feminism and not just the word.

For women, "a rising tide lifts all boats". Just as many men (I like to include myself) are doing all we can to bring women to a place of equality, women must also be beholden on themselves to ensure men do not get left behind.

Not saying you are wrong. In my view, having grown up under the system of being a disposable male, seeing something like “mens mental health day cancelled because of lack of female representation” https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/nov/17/row-after-university-of-york-cancels-international-mens-day-event is right on par with what I grew up with and honestly what we should be working against.

I do agree media has their hand on the scale making things worse. That said, media isn’t the sole contributor to the problem. Foisting the responsibility onto an amplifier ignores the baseline sentiment.

I think it goes deeper.

Overall wage growth has remained stagnant for a while, but we are seeing greater wage equality and an increase in education requirements for jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if the economic conditions for high-school educated men dropped significantly and the economic conditions for college educated men remained stagnant.

So if you are a working class white male angry at the system, you may end up angry that all these women came in to change the system for them instead of at the economic elites not paying their fair share.

And they may hear stories about how men a few generations ago were still "kings of their homes", where women were unable to leave bad situations. The power sounds a lot nicer than today.

So you've got a lot of young guys looking at the old system and wanting that.

First you would have to actually write feminist books that are targeting angry young men