Transitive defederation -- defederating from instances that federate with Threads as well as defederating from Threads -- isn't likely to be an all-or-nothing thing in the free fediverses. Tradeoffs are different for different people and instances. This is one of the strengths of the fediverse, so however much transitive defederation there winds up being, I see it as overall as a positive thing -- although also messy and complicated.

The recommendation here is for instances to consider #TransitiveDefederation: discuss, and decide what to do. I've also got some thoughts on how to have the discussion -- and the strategic aspects.

(Part 7 of Strategies for the free fediverses )

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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm not so sure that this sort of divisive policy is healthy for the Fediverse. ActivityPub is meant to connect communities, not split them apart. I feel like this is just going to cause even more fragmentation at a time when ActivityPub can really be showing off its capabilities.

I imagine this would dissuade further adoption by other communities.

[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

I feel like this was part of the Meta plan from the start. They know what they're doing.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Activitypub is deliberately designed to allow disconnection as and when needed. Splitting apart is entirely the point of having defederation.

I do not understand this idea that the fediverse was always meant to be some kumbayah peace & love positive vibes only space and that utilising defederation is going to wound its delicate soul.

No. Federation is a system with teeth; if we defang it for the sake of being nice to everyone then it won't be able to achieve its promise of freedom from corporate overlords. Independence and self determination is the point, not being chill and cool and like, totally copacetic with all mankind, man.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Right, but what this will end up doing is effectively creating two distinct Fediverses; one with Meta and all the users, and one that will sequester themselves off to an even smaller corner of the internet than before. That's not a healthy outcome. And if all the EEE(E?) rants and ravings people have been posting lately are to be believed, that'll only make these smaller communities even less able to resist Meta's influence.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You said:

ActivityPub is meant to connect communities, not split them apart.

This is just blatantly wrong. I was addressing this and only this.

I don't know if I agree with transitive defederation, I did not take a position on it, and I don't know why you're trying to argue it with me except that you know this kumbayah crap isn't a position you can argue.

I just know BS when I smell it, and I'm sick of smelling this particular kind.

[–] jsh@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago

Mmm yes, a broken platform dealing in inane absolutes. Take me back to reddit why don't you?

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