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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, it's not that old, as far as countries go

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

It's also been just over 150 years since the last civil war.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Define country, because the American government is actually one of the oldest continuous governmental systems in the world. Certainly the oldest republic that isn't a micro-state.

Now if you want argue that France, for example, is an older country than America because there's been a fairly stable region largely called France for several centuries you can, you'd just be wrong.

Now if you want to start talking about nations that's different, but also a much, much blurrier subject in general.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago

I'm using the term to mean more or less the collectively agreed upon "identity" of a state. Not merely a single contiguous government (for the same reason you just bring up, people still consider France to be France even though the government has changed fundamentally many times over the years), but I'm not using it to just mean "nation" either, since were France to be completely conquered and annexed by a foreign power, the French nation, as in the group of people, would still exist, but the country would not, at least until such time as it could be recreated, or for a different reason, that one can have a national identity split between different states, or a state involving different such groups.

[–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lotta talk after your little Brexit stunt.

Let’s not throw stones at each other yeah? Wouldn’t that be the proper way to conduct yourself? Or are you no better than Americans in thinking haha my group is the best fuck you…

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The way things look around USA, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if some state tried to secede in the next 10 years. Then again, it wouldn't be like brexit, because only the poor states in USA are looking to secede... and UK was certainly not a poor state in EU. That's perhaps why they only shout about it and not do it: they look at the numbers and realize they'd be fucked without the rich states, which are almost entirely blue states.

Even UK, the richest country in EU, didn't do brilliantly due to brexit. So in their funny way, they made it quite a lot less likely that any EU country actually wants to leave.

[–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You’ve totally missed my point. But yeah sure here’s a cookie 🍪

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[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The US is politically older than most European countries.

European exceptionalism will lead to the complacency that leads to the kind of problems the US has.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 3 points 10 months ago

I love the salty Euros downvoting clear historical fact.

Plus, it already did. In the 1930s.

[–] drascus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

we sorta haven't. We haven't even made it a few hundred years without a civil war or some sort of uprising.

[–] user_1234@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

Try to manipulate people in other countries much?

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 1 points 10 months ago

Give credit where credit is due: US managed to create extremely stable system. So stable it took a bloody war to alter it the only time it was done. So stable it's now dysfunctional and impossible to fix. So stable it will still be there even after the country dissolves into a dictatorship.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (7 children)

My ad hominem response is "you'd be speaking German if not for us...stfu about your survival bs"

[–] the_third@feddit.de 3 points 10 months ago

I'm already speaking German. And elections here look a lot like all of that shit is going for round two. Hell, the right and some members of the more moderate, conservative party have held meetings in the last weeks where they openly discussed deportations of immigrants and German citizens that supported them.

Nice thing you tried in the forties, but you only got the tanks, not the spirit it seems.

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[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago
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