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Seriously. Who is the Hungarian government and what's its their play in the EU?

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[–] Styxie@feddit.nl 67 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Orban is in my opinion very good at gaslighting both the EU and his domestic supporters. He talks shit about the EU at every possible opportunity, but then when he shows up for Council meetings in Brussels, he'll usually sign up for whatever he's asked that month. Then he goes back to Hungary and immediately tells voters that he gave the EU leadership hell and that he got a great deal for Hungary. This is mostly my opinion, but I think everyone in the EU expects this conduct from Orban, and they just go along with it for the sake of progress.

His voters on the other hand genuinely think that he's a national hero for standing up to the no good, despicable, very bad EU leftist bureaucrats who also just happen to subsidise their economy. I kind of admire his batshit approach to politics, but disagree with everything he says. Basically, he's all bark and no bite. Just ignore whatever mad shit he's spouting and assume he's saying it for the benefit of his deranged supporters and won't follow through on it.

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

It’s just hard to ignore when we is responsible for holding up funding for Ukraine.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Well he didn't like the support to Ukraine. That one was vetoed.

[–] UnityDevice@startrek.website 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is mostly my opinion, but I think everyone in the EU expects this conduct from Orban, and they just go along with it for the sake of progress.

My opinion is that the EU leaders secretly love him because he's very useful. As an authoritarian and certified asshole he gets to veto things without too much consideration over his public image. He vetoes things the EU leaders want shut down so they can pretend they were totally gonna do it if not for that pesky Orban.

[–] poszod@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Great comment, but how is that behaviour "gaslighting".

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People have started to use this term for all kinds of bad behaviour, it's lost its original meaning

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That sounds like gaslighting to me!

[–] Algaroth@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

That's just your imagination.

[–] Styxie@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Saying one thing and then doing another in order to mislead.

[–] poszod@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

That's called "lying" or "misleading". We don't need another word for that, we do, however could use with the actual meaning of the verb "to gaslight".

[–] Algaroth@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Does he seriously call the EU leftist? Just how far right is this guy?

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago

Leftist in Hungary just means "not Fidesz". No joke, they once called a straight up Nazi party who are campaigning on segregation and antisemitism leftist.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Orban sucks off Putin like the GOP and Heritage Foundation. He's trying to melt the EU from within. What more do you need to know?

[–] SuperApples@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Isn't another part of the problem is how rural the population is? With a population of 9m, only 1.7m live in Budapest, and the second biggest city is only 200k. The rural population only consumes Hungarian propaganda and doesn't get any other perspective.

[–] java@beehaw.org 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Zacryon@feddit.de 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

homelessness has been made a crime

Citizen: I can't get a job which pays me enough to finance an apartment.

Government: Straight to jail!

[–] Wisely@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's how they can provide housing in the most expensive and miserable way possible. The homeless have to go somewhere, and then they get to feel like they are punishing them instead of helping.

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

The cruelty is the point, as with nearly all conservative policies