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[โ€“] peereboominc@lemm.ee 88 points 11 months ago (1 children)

City's like Amsterdam are not build for cars. They are allowed but it is mostly people on foot and bicycles. Going over 30 is not possible and dangerous.

[โ€“] grue@lemmy.world 81 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

On the contrary: Amsterdam was rebuilt for cars in the 1950s-1970s, then re-rebuilt for bikes because they realized that they had made a terrible mistake.

[โ€“] Empricorn@feddit.nl 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So... it's not currently built for cars.

[โ€“] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The point is, it's not an "oh, it's just 'cause it's old and historic and couldn't possibly be replicated anywhere else" thing. It absolutely can be done everywhere; the only difference is that Amsterdam is one of the few places that's had the, frankly, good sense to do it. (I almost wrote "political will" there, but when you consider the fact that car-centric design doesn't even fucking work for car drivers themselves, it really is more a matter of competence than ideology.)

[โ€“] Empricorn@feddit.nl -1 points 10 months ago

it's just 'cause it's old and historic and couldn't possibly be replicated anywhere else

Not sure why you're so insistent on replying to your own strawman argument. The statement is "Amsterdam is not built for cars". That's it. That's what you replied to...

[โ€“] Blackmist@feddit.uk 22 points 10 months ago

We're were getting a 20 mph limit for most roads in our UK town (until it was scrapped yesterday) and the local Facebook groups are acting like they're turning us into an open air prison.

Apparently having shops in walking distance is a Chinese conspiracy, and we must reject the climate emergency, and other such frothing at the mouth...

[โ€“] BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There's no point to allowing private cars in cities anyway. Just ban the lot of them.

[โ€“] tryptaminev@feddit.de 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The only exception i can think of are people with impaired movement that are fit to drive though. But for this we dont need full cars.

[โ€“] taladar@feddit.de 10 points 11 months ago

There are a few others I can think of but most of those revolve around rare events like moving in or out or buying furniture.

[โ€“] HeartyBeast@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So - how do they get in and out of the cities?

[โ€“] toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago

Public transport?

[โ€“] poudlardo@jlai.lu 1 points 11 months ago

What's so strange is that still you will find big Toyota, Audi and Mercedes vehicles parked in the center, even though it's not handy to move that way in the city

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