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[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 126 points 2 years ago (8 children)

The simple answer is "REFUSE TO BUY THE SHIT!"

It is literally that simple. I can't think of a single person that HAS to buy a NEW car. Keep what you have or buy used. Tell the dealerships and auto makers to fuck off! Explain why a person ever has to buy a NEW car.

As long as people are stupid and buy it the auto makers WILL continue on this path.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 107 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The simple answer is “REFUSE TO BUY THE SHIT!”

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken

The reality is, individual boycotts don't do shit because people who care about their property rights are outnumbered by dipshit consumer whores by a dozen to one (if not worse). The only way to actually fix this is regulatory action by the FTC to outlaw this shit as the blatantly obvious violation of the doctrine of first sale that it is.

[–] oDDmON@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago

Also an obvious indicator of the need for something comparable to the GDPR to keep this shit manageable going forward.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

The problem solves itself with decent right to repair

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 62 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Enshitification isn't solved by voting with your dollar. If it did, the printer market wouldn't be the shit show that it is. You can't vote for the good if all the manufacturers mutually agree to only produce shit. Only regulation will keep them in line.

(inb4 "brother is better", I am aware that brother printers are generally better, but they are far from good.)

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Especially when the majority of people will litterly drink shit milkshakes every damn day before they ever dream of using something that isn't their preferred brand or might require accepting some modest trade-offs.

We all suffer from enshitification because the "average consumer" makes it profitable with their apathy, their ignorance, and their laziness. And there's nothing we can about that. We're stuck in these markets with them, and they make up the majority, so they set the trends.

I will say, part of that ignorance, apathy, and laziness is an intentional part of our existing society. You can't spend the time to research every single product you ever buy, because many are stuck working several job, basically everyone is juggling their work, family, and social life.

A couple months back, I tried putting some effort into finding a printer that had all of the qualifications I wanted.

  • usb printing, no network needed

  • laser

  • color

  • not a brand that will fuck you over (looking at you HP)

  • within a reasonable budget of $300-$400

And such a product just doesn't exist. Brother comes close, but the market straight up isn't producing good things. So at the end of the day all I can do is either get shafted at the local print store, or suck it up and get an inferior product.

But going back to the OP, it's so much worse with cars because we have a car-centric society. You NEED a car in this place to have a normal life. Our cities and transportation have been intentionally designed to fuck over everyone not in a car.

So there is inelastic demand. The manufacturers can do whatever the fuck they want and get away with it.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I got an 03 Jetta in good trim with a 5-speed (which hardly anyone makes anymore). I’m gonna keep that fucker alive even if I have to turn it into the car of Theseus.

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[–] kowcop@aussie.zone 12 points 2 years ago

I will probably continue to buy new cars as I can spend my hard earned on whatever I want. Everyone’s financial situation, wants and needs are different… you shouldn’t bundle everyone else into your opinion.

That said, I wouldn’t buy a car that has a feature that I need locked behind a subscription.. I would just buy one that suits. I am not loyal to any particular brand so I don’t care.

[–] tonyn@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Where will all the used cars come from?

[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

A better solution is to counter market these products. Invest time in spreading content that tells other people how shit these products are. Not buying it doesn't do much. But spreading the good word does. Its why they pay so much to advertise and market

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[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 113 points 2 years ago (9 children)

"Corp execs literally don't care about your bitching, and will perfectly coordinate with other companies corp execs to make sure the same blanket policy is pushed and agreed upon by everyone else in the industry, thus making it the new standard and leaving the customer with no choice against it, for the 69 millionth time"

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 103 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just a reminder, such collusion is supposed to be illegal.

But we don't pay attention to those laws anymore.

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[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 55 points 2 years ago

"Congress reports that they don't see the issue, one congressman said 'lol I don't see what the big deal is, the market will regulate itself and just don't buy a car lmao' "

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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 95 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What is really happening is your car has hardware features that are being disabled, and you have to pay extortion money for the criminals to not disable them. It's ransomware as a service.

So the question is, who wants to buy from a company that is running ransomware as a service?

[–] iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The question is, what alternative are we going to have, if all auto makers start doing this?

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I just want a vehicle made like they used to be made. No computer chips and physical handles I have to turn to get the window down. An entire vehicle I can fix myself when things break down.

It shouldn't be a hard ask, but here we are... Overly complex shit, with many features no one needs.

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[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

You know the war that's being fought by developers against YouTube?

Now imagine that same energy directed towards car companies.

I guarantee you the moment this becomes a thing, there will be jailbreaking and a whole industry dedicated to making sure people know how to get all the benefits that their car has installed but not enabled.

Because if buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing.

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[–] rockandsock@lemm.ee 73 points 2 years ago

*You wouldn't download heated seats would you? *

I definitely would.

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 52 points 2 years ago (4 children)

We need Autoworker Unions to refuse this shit with us.

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[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Note to self: Buy older cars without the subscription bullshit.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They're going to write laws making older cars illegal to operate in the name of climate change. Places are already requiring the phase out of new gas and diesel vehicles with the stated ambition of completely switching.

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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Car toys is just gonna take in the bucks. These car manufacturers are thinking they can charge a subscription fee when car toys will plug in a little doohickey they just makes your heated seats work.

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[–] harry_balzac@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Officer, I signaled to switch lanes but I forgot to update my card on file so the blinkers won't turn on. I was on my way to get a prepaid card for the blinkers and to open the trunk so I can get my groceries out."

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No BMW owner would willing use indicators anyway.

[–] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

BMW Subscriber* now 🤷‍♂️

[–] nieceandtows@programming.dev 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only backlash they listen to is the one to their wallets. Remember Netflix password crackdown backlash?

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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

"Oh no, we can't compete with Chinese manufacturers! Surely if we squeeze the customers just a little bit harder..."

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

As much as I hate what it will do to the used car market we as a people need to stop buying these new cars. Like actually make it a shameful act to even be in one of these distopian devices. People love to bully and be outraged, why not point it to something like this that can be agreed on and is not hard to fix?

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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 24 points 2 years ago

Climate conference or whatever, has nothing to say about car makers actively hindering adoption of modern engines/EV?

[–] CaptObvious 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And this shit is why I’ll never own a Tesla — or any other make that pulls this stunt.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Elon single handedly told me I shouldn't buy a Tesla

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Just remember to not pay for the subscription and they will eventually stop this particular nonsense.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Again, I mean good luck with that I suppose. They do this and it will just accelerate the market to jailbreak cars.

[–] phillycodehound@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Enough with the subscriptions!

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[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And this is why capitalist markets don't really regulate themselves and need government intervention.

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[–] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If this becomes common enough there's gonna be a whole cottage industry of jailbreaking cars.

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Bought a car with a future subscription to its remote services (climate, lock/unlock, etc). Company wants $450/year for access. Guess what we aren’t going to sign up for when the free 2 year period expires?

Vote with the wallets folks.

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

you bought the new car you literally failed the mission

walk dude

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You beat me by 7 seconds.

This was my first thought. "sure showed them by buying that car..."

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[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There’s a big difference between what this article is describing and what you’re describing. Remote features likeones you’re complaining about require a cellular service and while $450/year is very expensive, providing them for free would be silly.

The article is describing built-in features with no connectivity requirements, which is like disabling your heated seats unless you subscribe. This is what is described as rent-seeking behavior and it’s very different from overcharging for operational costs.

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[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 8 points 2 years ago

Same thing for me with 5g hotspot in my new car. They said "hey that's free for 6 months, along with enhanced onstar", and I replied keep it, I don't fucking want it.

They looked at me like I was growing a second head. They said they didn't know how to deactivate it, as nobody had asked that before. My ass. They knew better than to ask for a credit card number to activate the service, at least.

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