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Italy bans cultivated meat products::New law prohibits the production or sale of cultivated meat in Italy, with fines of up to €60,000

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 159 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Italy is the first nation in the world to be safe from the social and economic risks of synthetic food

more like the only nation to consider all cultivated meat a problem and prohibit it instead of regulating it.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

social and economic risks of synthetic food

yeah 2 things humans just will never solve for, better shut it down. shut it all down.

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[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 112 points 11 months ago (4 children)

So they're banning what's likely the "end all, be all" meat replacement in the (hopefully not so distant) future just so that being a "livestock farmer" remains viable?

[–] OnU@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

Yes but of course. "Ban the machines that can harvest our crops, we want to keep our slaves" Its so sad to see...

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 95 points 11 months ago (1 children)

‘In defence of health, of the Italian production system, of thousands of jobs, of our culture and tradition, with the law approved today, Italy is the first nation in the world to be safe from the social and economic risks of synthetic food,’

Health? Yeah, get back to me the next time there's an outbreak of mad cow disease, swine flu, or bird flu and say that to my face.

Jobs? The synthetic meat isn't going to make itself, and there will always be a market for "organic" meat in any case.

Tradition? The human race's oldest and most persistent fallacy. The democracy of the dead.

This is shortsighted. This guys sounds exactly like the idiot lawmakers here in America who said solar panels and electric cars will never catch on, so what's the point in investing in them now?

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wonder how much money the country makes by protecting those traditional methods of producing meats and exporting their products at high prices. Maybe that's what they're after. 🤔

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[–] blackkn1ght@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We have a really stupid minister in charge of this stuff. And i mean it in the truest sense of the word, this guy has a room temperature iq.

Anyways, the sale ban will probably fail in court, the production ban will only harm the italian industry because sure as hell they can't stop european synthetic meat from entering the country.

[–] huginn@feddit.it 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Room temperature Celsius no less

[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

We're talking Italy, so Celsius is assumed.

[–] SimonSaysStuff@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They can't stop synth meat coming in at the minute, but they can after they decide to Italeave... that doesn't sound as good as Brexit, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

[–] blackkn1ght@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There will be no italeave/italexit. Even the worst populist here knows it's suicide.

[–] tutus@links.hackliberty.org 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The UK knew it was suicide and did it anyway.

Never underestimate the power of stupid.

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[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 72 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Well that's understandable. I too want my meat to have been grown in its own shit and be pumped full of antibiotics and let's not forget the secret incredient: cruelty.

[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 10 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Lab-grown meat is equated to synthetic ingredients and ultra-processed foods which are known to raise health problems (but are not banned, not all additives at least and not everywhere).

Considering how politics goes these days, the producers of cultivated meat just hadn't a grip on the ministry as strong as the farmer lobby. No ideological or public health reason whatsoever. And it's not Italy, it's just politics and business everywhere.

Today it's Italy's turn, maybe tomorrow someone else will be on the hot seat.

[–] VelvetGentleman@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

and ultra-processed foods which are known to raise health problems

The data on this are very dubious at best. Most researchers can't even agree on a definition of what they are. Corelation studies should always be taken with a grain of salt.

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[–] AnagrammadiCodeina@feddit.it 71 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Fake news. There's a proposal from March, it is not a law. And it's so stupid that it bans production, not import (just to fuck over an already stalling economy)

But don't spread fake news.

Edit: found article on sole24ore. You are right and our government is a bunch of retarded.

Edit2: https://www.linkiesta.it/2023/12/mattarella-legge-carne-coltivata-servira-prima-lok-dellue/ This article says that our beloved president Mattarella did not sign it and sent it to Brussel for review.

[–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago

We’re a sad country

[–] vodkasolution@feddit.it 62 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Please, non-Italians, pay attention: that has nothing to do with Italian cuisine, no chefs, traditional groups or whatsoever said anything about cultivated meat. And no dumb scientist said anything either. It's just some bigot, retrograde minister of ours.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thanks for the insight, friend

Sorry you have that idiota

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 54 points 11 months ago (13 children)

I'm going to snap all my spaghetti in half until this is repealed.

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[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl 26 points 11 months ago

Yes it's stupid, yes many Italians are pissed about this too, yes this will sunk our economy even more, yey italy

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Is that what the people want, or some big key to power that stands to inevitably lose out? If other countries transition out of meat livestock isn't it pointless to handicap yourself?

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Italian parma ham and such is quite famous and Italians seem to take their authentic cuisine very seriously. Supposedly there afraid that low quality fake meat will overrun the current market. I imagine the meet industry there is quite powerful though so assume lobbying was part of this.

[–] Tosti@feddit.nl 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)
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[–] LordBelphegor@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Italy be taking a lotta L's these days. I wonder who they will side with in WW3?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

Hey now, they were on the winning side during WW1. That's something.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Don't they have a volcano about to decimate them?

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[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They've cited health, yet I can't seem to find the health risk argument. Other than that, standard Italian politics where representatives are changed quite often.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

"health" was the answer to the question that followed "what do you mean we have to provide a citation?"

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

Reactionaries opposing technological innovations that would prevent suffering because they're not 'natural'. Color me surprised.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Italy you say? The one EU member that has repeatedly used its power to lock down ag requirements and protections for it own foods for the other member states?

The only upside is that gabbagol is delicious, and who would want to fuck that up?

[–] AnagrammadiCodeina@feddit.it 7 points 11 months ago

It locks down names. You can produce parmisan, you can't label it "parmigiano reggiano".

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Slightly off-topic, but, is there a Lemmy community for cellular agriculture, akin to r/wheresthebeef? That's one of the few remaining subreddits I haven't found a Lemmy replacement for yet.

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[–] DinkleDorph@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I upvoted the post so others see it, but I do not like that they're banning it. That's poopy garbage ass.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

ahah why? is this a religious thing or a socio-political thing?

answer:

When the ban was proposed earlier this year, Lollobrigida had indicated that its main goal was to protect Italian farmers.

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[–] JoShmoe@programming.dev 6 points 11 months ago

No spicy cultivated meatball

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