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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world. About 1C of total warming. Second chart: about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability. Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases. About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And our governments are beholden to the rich because they can offer the best bribes.

Until the rich feels threatened by the climate catastrophe, nothing will happen or change.

Although we are seeing the first economic fallout from climate change, so there's a slim chance. The rich are going to see their precious economic growth slow and eventually stall. I don't know how they'll react to that.

Maybe they'll all flee to New Zealand. Or some other remote location. I doubt SpaceX is going to offer any way out for anyone but the musky chodelet.

I guess the rich's reaction depends on whether they think their hideaway will afford them the same privilege as they currently have. Maybe they'll try to bootstrap an Elysium like refuge on the moon if it's predicted that even New Zealand won't be safe from climate induced collapse.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing is safe and there is nowhere you can go.

Everything is connected in this web we call home.

The fire just ignited, its the beginning of the show.

No one will escape this tomb we've made home.

[–] money_loo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Neat poem but also just plain wrong.

The poor and the mistreated people will suffer the most so the wealthy and the privileged don’t have to.

Just like how the children who collect your ingredients for chocolate have never even tasted it, the modern and developed world will carry on with apathy and ignorance.

Even so called catastrophes will not affect them, as they will be uplifted and protected.

It’s already happening now if you just look around.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can you be uplifted and protected from starvation when ecosystems completely collapse? There will be no cattle farming, no agriculture. If climate change is as disastrous as scientists warn if we don't change there will be nothing to uphold them with. The masses will quickly consume their masters and then each other as we return to tribes. The most the rich can hope to do from their bunkers is scavenge for substance as the last is swallowed by the flies. They just don't realize they're building their own tombs.

[–] money_loo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can you be uplifted and protected from starvation when ecosystems completely collapse?

The same way humans always have, by adapting to change. Yeast and bug protein powder, skyscraper farms and bioreactor grown meat.

Humans would likely survive on a completely sterile planet at this point, science is so advanced. But it would not be enough for 8 billion people, so a lot of forgotten and poor people will suffer.

If climate change is as disastrous as scientists warn if we don't change there will be nothing to uphold them with.

Scientists have already figured out where the disasters will be concentrated, and the wealthy have already prepared themselves, governments included.

The doomer idea that the entire planet will become unlivable is just nonsense. There will be many shitty places to live where the heat will kill thousands every summer, or the weather becomes too extreme for stability.

But there will also be lots of places that just get more rain than they’d like. So once again, the poor and inequitably treated will die and suffer. Starting to notice a pattern yet?

The masses will quickly consume their masters and then each other as we return to tribes. The most the rich can hope to do from their bunkers is scavenge for substance as the last is swallowed by the flies. They just don't realize they're building their own tombs.

If you’re just seriously sitting around expecting society to collapse to solve this problem then you’ve already lost.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dont think you understand. There will be no supply chains to make these advanced materials. If we aren't doing it right now, it won't be here when the climate collapses. There will be no bug farm paste manufactorums. There will be no steel mills. You can't have skyscrapers when there are no supply chains producing steel to support the buildings, plus all the machinery to actually piece together the building. Construction will immediately be shot back to the dark ages or prior. Because it too relies on advanced global supply chains to acquire the materials to make the advanced materials to construct infastructure with.

I should also note we are on the hypothetical of complete collapse. We are already arguing in that context, I'm not actually waiting around like its a fact. But the billionaires are, they're building their bunkers expecting to make it (?) to some unknown date where the surface world is magically habitable again.

[–] money_loo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, none of that is going to happen, thankfully.

It’s just going to result in more powerful storms and extreme weather spread throughout the planet.

Lots of life will die off but it will be absolutely nothing compared to the shit our planet has seen in the past and recovered from.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the end, we're killing ourselves and the things we are familiar with. The things that make Earth, to us. I hope the squids have a better run than we did.

[–] money_loo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lots of good people working against it as well.

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The good news is, they will start to feel it. Fix this shit now is becoming more and more mainstream. Just wait until sea rise consumes their costal mansions. Just wait until a hurricane destroys their self insured Manhattan sky scraper. Just wait until an EF5 tornado wrecks their middle of nowhere mansion. We won't be waiting long.

[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We had the extra luxury beach resort owned by the family of our tourism Ministry (sounds like a conflict of interest but she wasn't in charge then) destroyed by a hurricane, but the climate change scepticism of the government per se remained untouched.

Your reasoning assumes they are intelligent enough to understand concepts like causation or correlation. They aren't.

[–] jerebear39@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate to be pessimistic but I feel more and more that we aren't going to deal with climate in a meaningful way. I feel the governments of the world are taking a approach of benign neglect.

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately it will end up being far from benign if we keep pace

[–] kozy138@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

There should be studies being done to find out which form of eco-sabotage has the biggest impact on CO2 reduction. Something along the lines of this website.

Offset.labr.io

[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, some people are insecure about themselves, so need to peacock and get big cars, etc so people notice them.

I feel like if maybe the public school system was better they wouldn't feel like total losers

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

But what does Dr. Filthy Richenstein think? From his Enron lab?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As long as conservatives are able to protect their corporate benefactors, there can be no positive outcome. They will gleefully kill every one of us.

If you aren't fighting conservatism, you aren't fighting climate change. Period.

[–] neanderthal@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Conservative is a misnomer. Car dependent design drives a lot of US emissions. That design is largely government meddling that they claim to hate:

  • Government mandated minimum parking
  • Roads paid for via taxes they hate
  • Government tracking via vehicle registration
  • Government permission needed via licenses
  • Government blocking private land owners building what makes sense on their land (e.g. a small general store in the center of a SFH neighborhood)
  • Government mandated insurance
  • Government mandated vehicle requirements

That is what I can think of in like 2 minutes. Lots of small government there.