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A user on our instance reported a post on lemmynsfw as CSAM. Upon seeing the post, I looked at the community it was part of, and immediately purged all traces of that community from our instance.

I approached the admins of lemmynsfw and they assured me that the models with content in the community were all verified as being over 18. The fact that the community is explicitly focused on making the models appear as if they're not 18 was fine with them. The fact that both myself and one a member of this instance assumed it was CSAM, was fine with them. I was in fact told that I was body shaming.

I'm sorry for the lack of warning, but a community skirting the line trying to look like CSAM isn't a line I'm willing to walk. I have defederated lemmynsfw and won't be reinstating it whilst that community is active.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

was fine with them

That’s surprising since their rules say that not even fictive under-18 content is allowed:

Posting content involving any person who is under 18 is strictly forbidden. This includes real, drawn, and fictional content.

[–] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Anyone wanna save me from having to google what CSAM is?

[–] leigh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am very disheartened by the number of people replying here who read “a community skirting the line trying to look like CSAM” and felt the need to go purposefully seek out that community to look through its images.

[–] Ryantific_theory@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Probably because the community in question isn't trying to "skirt the line" and just posts popular pornstars that range from 18 to the mid twenties. I thought it was a kink community until someone finally linked the lemmynsfw post and it's actually just a community for cute pornstars.

Calling it CSAM-adjacent just means that nobody's comfortable actually looking at it to figure out what's going on, and hugely exaggerated.

[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like the people getting upset over this are taking these hypotheticals of "young looking adults just wanting to be able to make porn equally and that technically the community did nothing wrong".

The problem is that just ignores the fact that pedophiles would definitely use communities like that as a "foot in the door" to a comminity that would naturally have a lot of closetted pedophiles. The issue isn't young looking adults making porn, the issue is a community based around youngest possible looking adults is naturally gonna attract and encourage pedophiles.

It's like they say, "all it takes is allowing one nazi in your bar for it to rapidly turn into a nazi bar".

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I can't dispute this. i didn't know this was a problem. but i don't want ass to do with it. i have a separate account there for adult-oriented fetish content as portrayed by adults. can't we just have that?

[–] buffalobuffalo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I believe the mod of the community in question is telling the truth, Seems like the incident in question was just a misunderstanding. The community name is

spoileradorableporn

I will refer to this as "the first community" in the following text.

The mod of the community copy/pasted the dictionary definition from vocabulary.com, which contains the word "childlike".

IMO, the community in question is not trying to skirt the line of Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM). In fact, there is a subreddit of the same name which has absolutely nothing to do with people that appear underage.

That said, the same mod also moderates, and posts to a different community with a concerning name. The spoiler below shows the name and the first three paragraphs of the sidebar as they appear:

spoilerCommunity is now open to posting. Posts not having verification info will be removed.

FauxBait is a place for sharing images and videos of the youngest-looking, legal-aged (18+) girls. If you like fresh, young starlets, this is the place for you!

Just to be clear: We only feature legal, consenting adults in accordance with U.S. Laws. All models featured were at least 18 years old at the time of filming.


Also, I'm not sure if the timestamps can be trusted, but said mod was instated as the only active mod of the first community at the same time that Ada made this post, which would mean that the mod account could not have been the one that wrote the original sidebar of the first community. Not sure what to make of that. For the sake of balance though, said mod does seem to be doing verifications of the age requirements. Also, the modlog for the first community shows two admin removals from at least 10 days before this debacle, both of which err on the side of caution, so at least the admins to seem to care about enforcing their rules.


The situation seems very muddy, but I personally don't think the original incident was that big of a deal (assuming the mod is telling the truth). However, I certainly don't blame the blahaj admins for defederating as it's certainly the safest option. Wouldn't want blahaj lemmy to get taken down :| Also happy to see less pron in my feed; I'm too lazy to block the individual /c/. Personal Instance-level blocking can't come soon enough.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but I personally don’t think the original incident was that big of a deal

The post I saw looked like an underage teenage girl. It was reported as child porn and looked like it to me before I even looked at the community.

Then when I looked at the community, I discovered it wasn't accidental. The whole point of the community is to appeal to folks looking for people that look like underage teenagers.

That's a pretty big deal.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The whole point of the community is to appeal to folks looking for people that look like underage teenagers.

It's not though? Only the other community is like that. Still, defederating is probably the best choice indeed.

[–] moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you. Just the spam in new was bad enough, but CSAM? Holy crap.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To be clear, it is not CSAM. It is legal porn deliberately designed to look like CSAM

[–] Shit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In some jurisdictions that is still considered csam. Even if it's animated or whatever excuse...

[–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Like when Australia floated banning smaller-boobed women from porn, which is also something that everyone agreed with.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Only big tiddy goth gf allowed

-Australian government

[–] ryannathans@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Great. Even better that they decided to actually enforce that only girls with big tits count as women and everything else is a child. That is an entirely rational and reasonable approach.

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[–] ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 year ago

Thank you so much, that stuff is disgusting as well as people defending it.

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