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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 242 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

This isn’t Apple being nice.

This is Apple wanting to sell things in California, combined with Apple not wanting to manufacture two separate versions of their devices for the US market.

This is also why everyone gets USB-C iPhones now, instead of only the EU.

[–] Nurgle@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (3 children)

They supported this legislation before it was passed. Still not out of the goodness of their hearts, this version includes provisions that they had wanted previously.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 59 points 11 months ago (6 children)

They "supported" this legislation by implementing a system where parts still require users to call in to activate them, you are "strongly encouraged" to rent or buy specialized tools from apple, and the price of parts plus rental generally comes out as only slightly less than paying an apple store to do it for you.

It is malicious compliance that they get to use for a PR boost.

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Still a step forward, and it will make it easier to pass further steps.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It really isn't.

Because this has highlighted the "loophole" to these kinds of laws. Strict control of parts and equipment to manipulate pricing so that third parties cannot exist and this becomes "your phone is under warranty" by another name.

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[–] TehBamski@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

IIRC: They battled this talking point/discussion and legislation for years. Up until a week before it was voted on and passed.

They are not your friend.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Maybe because EU passed this before California. Then it's easy to on board.

[–] UnspecificGravity@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago

In this case, they managed to delay the bill long enough that they now have a bunch of programs in place to actually profit from third-party repairs of their devices. This gives them an advantage over their competitors, so they are now in support of this bill.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 139 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Thumbnail looks like a purple Dodge Challenger is about to drive through the window.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apple storefront: planned obsolescence

Dodge Challenger: CA's right to repair law

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

IMO Apple must have found a way to literally Dodge this Challenger if they're supporting it. Wonder what concoction their legal team has drafted up?...

[–] ironsoap@lemmy.one 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Based on this, it looks like an attempt to negotiate with the consumers "directly" and make it look like they are being active.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 3 points 11 months ago

Wouldn't it be cheaper long-term to just not be assholes for once?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Basically you have the right to repair, but the only tools that will work are those you buy from apple and call-in to make sure you didn't buy them second hand.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm glad for the EU, California, and other places that are big enough to force this sort of stuff nationally or globally.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Every so often the phrase "where California goes the nation follows" comes true. I had a feeling about this one, but not so soon nor decisively.

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Apple »claims« they will honor ‘right to repair’ – just like they claim their latest devices are ‘carbon neutral’

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

this is a ruleset though, and it's likely much cheaper for them to produce one SKU for the US rather than two, a california rule abiding one, and a rest of the country one.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Right, this is absolutely because it’s cheapest for them to adopt across their product line and their PR team is trying to spin it like they are doing it for altruistic reasons. It’s the same with USB-C. Once forced by the EU, it was announced all iPhones would use usb-c, same situation

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 8 points 11 months ago

Their carbon neutral claims are a stretch, but they did massively reduce their carbon footrprint in addition to using offsets. The majority of the reduction is from using green energy at their factories and no longer using air shipping.

[–] Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Apple saying they will honor like they're in control and have a choice.

[–] UnspecificGravity@lemmings.world 6 points 11 months ago

They had the choice of not doing business in California, which is what they had threatened to do with previous right-to-repair and other consumer protection laws. In this case, they found a way to make money off it if so they are supportive of this bill now since they have successfully delayed it long enough to have an advantage over their competitors.

[–] WallEx@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

Well, didn't they play a huge role in the genesis of this law? I think they have some way to continue ignoring costumers.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 34 points 11 months ago

Not by choice

[–] WallEx@feddit.de 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Didn't they influence the creation of this law? I'm still sceptical of its effectiveness.

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, thats what Louis Rossman said. I get my news from Louis 🤣

[–] WallEx@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's what the smart ones do I hear

[–] havokdj@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is not wise to solely take news at face value. I always do a little digging into something whenever I hear any news on it myself.

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd say that from what I've seen, Louis isn't interested in spreading disinformation.

But I would also still do a little digging; it's just a healthy way to process the content you consume. If you aren't willing to audit your opinion, then your opinion holds little water in an objective conversation.

[–] havokdj@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He's definitely not and I would agree with the sentiment that he is a reliable source of information, but remember that all people make mistakes sometimes. Treat the news as a notification, not a source of information.

[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What really makes him credible is he literally calls himself out in videos when information changes or he makes mistakes.

  • "When I said, xyz, don't listen to me. I was wrong/lied."
  • " [company name] changed their stance/policy and my previous statements are outdated."

He also tells viewers and readers all the time to come to their own conclusions and do their own research.

[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

He also comes clean and informs his viewers if it turns out he made a mistake which I appreciate

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago

Too bad I still need a hammer and chisel to replace the keyboard on my MacBook and don't even get me started on removing the battery which I need to do first

[–] kksgandhi@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Same thing happened with net neutrality, California put NN into law, and the rest of the country followed because it doesn't make sense to build a separate Internet for California.

[–] ironsoap@lemmy.one 13 points 11 months ago

I understand this as the California Effect and similarly the Brussels effect. While both do change company policies, I do understand that many companies are going to continues to try and avoid a regulatory ruling as there is so much status quo market loss on the line for them.

This article describes how they'll be trying to use MOUs with nongovernment bodies to mollify consumers and regulators.

[–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 months ago

What does this mean regarding their components pairing? Will they still force indepent repair shops to go through apple to validate a repair by requesting a new pairing for the replaced part? Will it be free? Will it depend on whether the part is a genuine apple part? A salvaged one? A third party part?

[–] RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

4 choices: don’t sell in CA, fight the law, make a separate phone to meet R2R laws that are likely going to become more prevalent, release a press report portraying magnanimity towards R2R and make the bare minimum effort to meet the law.

The last is the only real answer.

[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

Damn this is huge.

[–] IcansmellyourBundt@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

We need Louis Rossman to do his best recreation of the skeptical Fry meme in response to this.

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