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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 70 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Don’t blame this on mushrooms. You get what you go in with.

[–] remer@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And this dude hadn’t slept in 40 hours. Who the hell take mushrooms for the first time with severe sleep deprivation while in the cockpit of a commercial airliner!? This guy was unstable to begin with. Hopefully this doesn’t set back the public and regulatory perception of psilocybin and all of the therapeutic benefits it has.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

But blame the drugs! 🤗

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Narrator: It did.

[–] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 4 points 1 year ago

It should hopefully not have any effect on regulatory perceptions since legal psychiatric use should involve a medication with a certain dose that’s the lowest amount that will help instead of just eating a bunch of mushrooms but we do live in the dumbest timeline. I felt bad for this guy thinking it was a mental breakdown and he needed help but this was a series of really bad decisions.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I suspect he's blaming the mushrooms because he doesn't want to admit whatever other drugs he's been taking.

If he hadn't slept for 40 hours, it might be that he took meth.

[–] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I found a better article on Reuters that says he took the mushrooms about 48 hours before. Would they even still have an effect at that point? I’ve never taken shrooms.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

I've grown mushrooms myself and eaten a ton. He is sober within ten hours max, but in reality the high wears off in about five to six hour range and sane people only want to sleep at that point. At 24 hours you are experiencing no mushroom effects at all, let alone 40-48 hours

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Not at all. It’s like max 6 hours.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Absolutely not.

[–] DerpDerpingtonIsHere@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've done mushrooms countless times and mushrooms do not do this. Don't you even dare try saying it was because of mushrooms. Anyone who has actually done them before will call your bullcrap.

[–] Cinner@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sure it's possible he's making a bullshit excuse.

But dude you have no idea what was going on in his trip. He could have eaten a 5g chocolate bar and started freaking out trying to make it stop, thinking "I need to get out NOW" and being on autopilot (himself, not the plane) since he's flown so many times, turned the engines off. I'm sure the FAA audio will collaborate his freaking out.

You apparently haven't had a bad trip on a megadose. Don't go all "weed has zero bad side effects, man" about mushrooms just because you like them. This isn't a hit piece on shrooms. It's a piece against dosing before you fly a plane full of people which I'm totally good with.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He wasn't flying the plane.

He was off-duty and tried to open an emergency exit.

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Before that, he was in the cockpit (yes, off-duty) and lunged for the controls. The pilot had to correct it.

It's a short article, everyone should read it before commenting.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah the article either intentionally or accidently failed to mention that he took them two days prior to this incident and there's no way he could still have been under the influence as there are diminishing returns when taking mushrooms (you tyoically need to wait a few days/a week between sessions or they don't have much effect. The dude obviously snapped from staying awake for 40+ hours straight while also being distressed from the death of his friend.

I find it hard to believe he would have been able to get to the airport, get a flight, and get through airport security if he had simply been 'tripping balls' like the article implies.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love mushrooms, and not once have I ever thought about trying to harm anyone during a trip, let alone commit mass murder.
Might as well chock this up to "Reefer Madness"

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah this is absolute bullshit.

Let's set aside, for a moment, that this dude took the shrooms something like 48 hours prior. 100% this guy was not under the influence of psilocybin while on that plane.

But all of that aside, this just isn't how shrooms work. I know it can affect people in different ways, but I've taken heroic shroom doses before. Never, at any point, are you unaware that you're tripping, or think you're "dreaming" like this guy claimed, unless you're literally experiencing ego death. In which case, you're not even making it off the floor of your living room, let alone onto an airplane (with the company you work for), and into a cockpit.

You're not going through security, getting on a flight, acting normal enough to get into the cockpit, and then being lucid enough to make a deliberate move like he did. You're not even going to be aware that you have a fucking body.

And if you're not tripping hard enough for that, then you're not tripping hard enough to earnestly believe you're dreaming. Because that's not how psychedelics work.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have seen a couple of people take doses of 5 or 6 grams, and they are completely in a trance for hours. Just stuck in one spot and dead to the outside world. Then about 6 or 8 hours later they are back to their normal self. So, yea something is off about this excuse.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Exactly. If you're taking that much, you're basically in another dimension while your husk of a body (that, by this point, you're completely unaware even exists) is essentially incapacitated for a few hours.

And if you don't take that much, you 100% know that you're tripping the entire time.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh great way to fuck it up for everyone else.

In case anyone is unclear this is not how mushrooms work. Even on an insanely high dose you are not going to hallucinate concocted scenarios that aren't really happening. It makes colors brighter, sounds more clear, and and occasionally makes straight lines seem squiggly or faces seem pixelated. That's it.

One time I read about a case where the guy thought his neighbor's house was on fire and broke a window with a fire extinguisher. That makes more sense, maybe he saw an orange light and the mushrooms made it look like it was flickering.

[–] ShieldsUp@startrek.website 25 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Sir, I have seen my entire living room melt before my eyes, and the size of objects was so distorted I thought I had shrunk below my furniture. I heard voices all night from the outside thinking someone had found me. I also wandered outside and fell in love with the grass and the midnight dew but thought I was in a different world. I've also completely lost my vision due to visions and globs/blobs of color and realized it can completely remove you from reality and provide a solid ego death. I was riding rainbows and did not recognize a single object around me.

I don't think you are giving them enough credit, although I am also skeptical depending on the dosage.

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[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ITT: I do mushrooms and I don't go crazy so therefore it's impossible, and also I don't understand human psychology at all.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

ITT: people who actually have experience with psychedelics arguing against people who've only experienced psychedelics by seeing them portrayed in movies.

[–] superguy@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have experience selling psychedelics, and some of the stories I've heard are pretty shocking.

[–] sizzler@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You need to shout so people hear it. There is a reason they are called mind-altering and always start the conversation with that at the front.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes indeed.

Always the same comments whenever mood- and perception-altering substances are discussed.

"What you said is wrong because I don't react that way!" or "I don't know how drugs work but I watch a lot of TV!"

edit: Oh how could I forget, also: "Weed isn't addictive! I've been smoking 9g a day for 20 years and I'm still not addicted! I can quit any time!"

[–] mySFWaccount@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cool motive, still (attempted) murder.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] jwt@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

*claimed he was

And I'm definitely not taking his word for it, surely blood/hair tests will tell the real story.

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure if psilocybin shows up on a follicle test.

[–] thefloweracidic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hate how idiots become the representation of what people want to control and destroy.

I can't read the article but,

Joseph Emerson, who was off-duty at the time, was restrained by Alaska Airlines cabin crew after he tried to open an emergency exit

This headline is straight up propaganda then.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The headline is propaganda but not for that reason.

Dude was in the cockpit and pulled the fuel cutoff valves for the plane. The pilot and copilot kicked him out of the cockpit and re-engaged the fuel pumps and continued flying. Dude ran up to the fight attendants and told them that they need to handcuff him. Then he tried to open the emergency exit.

It's propaganda because he said he took the mushrooms 40 hours ago they don't last that long and he was also sleep deprived and emotionally unstable due to the recent death of a friend

[–] thefloweracidic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Thank you for this!

[–] Tvkan@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This headline is straight up propaganda then.

That's called a lie, not propaganda.

[–] thefloweracidic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Propaganda and lies can be one in the same?

[–] Tvkan@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

They can be, but that doesn't make them completely interchangeable.

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