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Let's get the AMAs kicked off on Lemmy, shall we.

Almost ten years ago now, I wrote RFC 7168, "Hypertext Coffeepot Control Protocol for Tea Efflux Appliances" which extends HTCPCP to handle tea brewing. Both Coffeepot Control Protocol and the tea-brewing extension are joke Internet Standards, and were released on Apr 1st (1998 and 2014). You may be familiar with HTTP error 418, "I'm a teapot"; this comes from the 1998 standard.

I'm giving a talk on the history of HTTP and HTCPCP at the WeAreDevelopers World Congress in Berlin later this month, and I need an FAQ section; AMA about the Internet and HTTP. Let's try this out!

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[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I need an ELI5 for this I'm a stupid Gen Z

[–] mmagod@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I need one too and I'm a stupid Gen Y

[–] Flemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a late millennial and a programmer, I've got you.

So when you request a web page, before anything else, the server gives you a 3 digit status code.

100s means you asked for metadata

200s mean it went ok

300s means you need to go somewhere else (like for login, or because we moved things around)

400s mean you messed up

500s mean I messed up

So this is in the 400s. Each specific code means something - you've probably seen 404, which means you asked for a page that isn't there. And maybe 405, which means you're not allowed to see this

418 means you asked for coffee, but I'm a teapot

[–] mmagod@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

I can't say enough how amazing your explanation was. Im not a programmer but I have worked on websites (self taught) and I never knew this. Thank you!

[–] Kaboomi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m actually going to that conference! What’s the title of your talk? I’ll be sure to attend it!

[–] Two9A@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Excellent. I'm on Stage 4 on the Thursday afternoon: "Brewing Tea Over The Internet".

Should be fun times, see you there.

[–] Clav64@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I loved sharing this with my senior who hadn't seen it before, and it gave our small team a Ggod chuckle one afternoon. Thanks for your creation.

With the absence of a crystal ball, but with excellent inner knowledge, what future standards could you see being implemented in the next 10 years for internet?

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[–] kromem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What's the funniest legitimate non-joke standardization detail you've come across?

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[–] christophski@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What code should be used if we are expecting something to be a teapot? In this scenario it seems a 4XX is inappropriate because there is no error

[–] Two9A@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

If you're writing a TEA-compliant client, you'd send the BREW request and expect a 300 Multiple Options back, whereby the server will tell you which teabags are installed. You're correct that there'll be no error, unless all the bag stocks are out server-side.

That'd return 503 Service Unavailable, of course.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've heard that the internet is a series of tubes.

Can you confirm?

[–] Two9A@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I never understood the beef people had with that. The Internet is a series of tubes, of various widths and sizes, with inputs at random points in the stream.

Plumbing analogies are apt.

[–] cheeseblintzes@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don't have any questions but holy shit this is so cool.

[–] Klaboesterbeer@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Are you by any chance, British?

[–] Two9A@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Did the predilection for tea give me away?

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

What a British thing to ask. Very apt sir, very apt.

[–] lunaticneko@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You can unilaterally create another status code. What do you create?

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[–] deepdivedylan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Was RFC 7168 written with Captain Picard's tea Earl Gray, hot in mind? If not, are follow up modifications planned?

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[–] fidodo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

We're there any early internet standards you were super bullish on at the time that didn't get picked up? In retrospect, if it had been adopted do you think it would have had the impact you were hoping for

[–] Two9A@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

That's a tough one: most standards are codified as such because they're already seeing wide use. The major example of one that's been worked the other way around is IPv6: it's been a standard for a very long time, and still doesn't seem to be seeing adoption.

Of course, I wouldn't say I was bullish on IPv6. 32 bits is enough for anyone, right.

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I just found out about this on Brodie Robertson’s yt channel! I am not a teapot btw!!

[–] ndr@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Haha, same here! I was so proud I knew what the title was referring to before reading the post. Lol

[–] Two9A@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Glad to hear it, you should walk around with a HTTP 418 hat so more people know you're not a teapot.

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[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

I just found out about this on Brodie Robertson’s yt channel! I am not a teapot btw!!

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

I am interested in writing a real RFC, what kind of mailing list etc should I join in order to make my RFC real?

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