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It's not news and since the cloud act, it should be obvious. Also, it means impossibility to respect GDPR so I am really angered by the lazyness of EU companies considering the US like an ally, and EU not applying GDPR to fine all USA companies into oblivion
The point is that if an American company has servers in EU, they have to give access to the US government even when the physical hosting is in Europe
Yes, and that’s a list of European owned hosting companies, not servers in Europe
France also has black boxes. Don't pick France or the UK. Netherlands, Sweden, Romania and Switzerland (I know) are good European choices. Also Germany but they're already the other half of reddit let's not put all our data centers in Berlin.
I’m in the US and I don’t even want a US email provider for the surveillance concerns alone.
Protonmail, servers in Switzerland. Encrypted so that even proton doesn't have the key. The only downer is if you forget your login info and need to do a full account reset you also lose your encryption key as a new one is generated and old emails are unretrievable.
Good in case of attempted account take over
Only downside is their CEO supports Trump, and tweeted his support for Trump from Proton’s official company Twitter account. When this whole thing happened, Proton never took those tweets down. Don’t know if they’re still up or not but I don’t care.
The point is, use Proton if and only if you’re okay with knowing that the company’s official stance is in support of fascism.
Alternatively, I’d recommend Mailbox.org or Tuta.
This is the Internet's common wisdom at the moment but it's a bit reductive. Here's a decent write up about it:
I was having trouble deciding between Proton and Tuta until that happened.
I was a paid customer of Proton’s for many years. After that whole debacle, I let my subscription expire, and then deleted my account. I sure as hell wasn’t going to use their service even if it was free. Made sure to leave very specific feedback to them why I was deleting my account.
Clicking that delete account button felt so good.
I did see that and I investigated Tuta. I had already paid for the year unfortunately. But I also wonder if he knows how Trump operates and would try to make foreign hosted encrypted data illegal, and so he was just pandering to trumps narcissism by congratulating him in his pick.
Classic Swiss behavior tbh
Is there more on this?
I do recall users talking about how they need to get tankies deported around the time the ICE budget passed, so this isn't even unreal.
What is this in reference to? I'm not seeing anything
Has this threat actually been said out loud?
Another reason to move away from all the US based fediverse instances. Last i checked lemmy.world is US based and so are many others of the top servers.
When did you last check? I thought Lemmy.world was Netherlands-based
Lemmy.world is 100% hosted in Europe. Of course authoritarian groups left and right fantasize about it being hosted in the US for different reasons. Generally when their extreme views are moderated. However those groups also have a lot of control and resources to spread misinformation. Not to mention experience. So I don't find it surprising that a lot of people don't realize it's not.
I checked the location through fedidb.org a while ago and it said US, but i guess that was because of cloudflare then.
Yes. Any sort of automated scraping needs to be double checked. It's generally fine. But for things behind distributor services like cloudflare Etc. The IP return is going to say more about the person connecting to it than the people behind it.
Quick addendum though. Cloud flare and AWS however are both in the United States if I'm not mistaken. And still vulnerable to being compromised by our fascist Administration. But the.world server itself is fine.
Fuck Lemmy.World; Asshole Nazi Apologists!
LOL you guys just can't help yourselves can you? I'm sure it's just a matter of time until a right-wing American fascist supporter comes in here and whines about their freeze peaches being violated by .world because they couldn't be Nazi enough. But as I said extremists all, and no one whose opinion should be valued much.
There was also a growing fear that the Dubvee admin could've been presecuted for the data that was hosted on their server.